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Nope it's not, one says "I'd put myself in harm's way", the other is "I'd put others in harm's way." Maybe if he offered to volunteer to serve that would be different. But in any case as stated it's just the tip of the iceberg why a one-off domestic altercation is not comparable to a complicated foreign conflict. So yeah keep it up, I see you bozos have your own "simpleton circle jerk". ... lol

Nope it's not. His use of first-person is the non-starter

The whole analogy doesn't work on many levels, I'd think even you'd recognize that not being quite the simpleton meazza is (granted that's a very low standard to beat). The most obvious reason is that one can speak in the first person about the wife beating, but not war if they're not fighting them.

I wonder who they stole Kashmir from

Clearly that your analogy doesn't apply. When you claim youd intervene to stop a man beating a woman, its you personally doing the intervening (although I highly doubt you'd do that either). But in a war there isn't even any false pretense of your non-involvement

most stupid comment yet, as if Bush's "coherency" was a good thing. As it lead to the ill-informed, ill-advised, immensely costly invasion of Iraq, adding over $1 trillion to our debt. Obama's problem was thinking he could straddle the fence by giving the neocons some, but not everything they wanted. Like in Syria, not full out invasion, but material support of the "rebels." Well here's the side we supported in Syria, turned loose in Iraq ... warning not pretty (war never is). Graphic photos show mass slaughter of soldiers in Iraq by ISIS NEWS.AU JENNI RYALL JUNE 16, 2014 1:44PM http://www.theaustra...6-1226956000456

then there's this from Neil Sedaka, predates Zep's by 11 years http://youtu.be/C_9j8jlCwfc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stairway_to_Heaven_(Neil_Sedaka_song)

ISIS doesn't have to officially make it to the Baghdad for the fighting to start there, as there are already several Sunni terrorists already operating there. "The United States said Sunday it was evacuating some staff from its embassy and beefing up security as deadly explosions rocked the Iraqi capital ...." http://www.usatoday....gency/10545803/

Have to stick as close to non-intervention philosophy as possible. Obviously what we've been doing is far from that. America as a "super power" does play a "special role", and that special role is guarding itself from getting involved in conflicts that are not of our interest or doing. It raises the questions a) who makes our foreign policy, and b) who is it made for? I say it's largely bureaucrats in Washington operating on their own agenda, or politicians for special interest donors. Take Ukraine for example: remember that state department do#@&^ Victoria Nuland, who was caught on tape saying "f^&@ the EU" because they may not go along with our more interventionist stance? Turns out her husband is Robert Kagan, signatory to the Neocon manifesto "Project for the New American Century", and a contributing editor to war propagandist rags like "The New Republic" and "Weekly Standard." These people execute policy based on their interests, not Americans ... who can't even find Ukraine on a map and when polled "65 percent of Americans do not think the U.S. should provide military aid and equipment to Ukraine in response to Russia's actions" http://www.cbsnews.c...ity-in-ukraine/ So you have your Nuland-Kagan's making policy for themselves using the super power's might, and alleged "allies" like France, Israel, and Saudis cheerleading for us to enter their conflicts, with not the slightest thought of is it good for America. Why would they? There should be no expectation otherwise. The burden is not on others to stop acting in their interests, it's on us to act in our own, and being a super power be especially aware that others will try to get us to fight their battles.

Very bad scenario laid out by Iraqi commander. If fighting gets to Baghdad, Sunni's will defect from the army leaving only the Shiite's to fight ISIS. http://youtu.be/F7HT1S1OrG8

So what wars have you fought in?

Bad news from the western front Forty-nine Ukrainian troops killed in plane shot down by rebels - military spokesman http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/14/ukraine-crisis-plane-idUKL5N0OV04I20140614

Remember Iran, that country that's the root of all evil? No doubt developing nuclear weapons to kill us all? Well now US is poised to offer air support for their ground troops in Iraq ... LOL Iran Deploys Forces to Fight al Qaeda-Inspired Militants in Iraq http://online.wsj.co...rces-1402592470

There's been an arms agreement between the 2 governments for years, just like US and Israelis. So by your logic, when a Palestinean uprising is brutally crushed by Israelis, the appropriate Russian response is to send arms, training, and equipment to Palestineans?

Thats whats cool about them. I like they add some darkness to pop songs. Otherwise they'd just be another group of 20-something looking dudes in jeans and t-shirts. Their cover of an ABBA song (fan video w/out them) demonstrates my point about darkness in pop songs

not sure, Ive never been able to find it

Elements of it sure. So what are you saying, due to it being a legacy we should continue with horrific disasters like Viet Nam?

He has no response just spouts out some BS. "Gray" is intervention, it's what we did in Syria (support to rebels), and it was a huge disaster. Lybia too.

Clearly Syria was not a national security risk. yet there we are providing weapons, training and support to "rebels". Would have been over long time ago had foreign powers, including US, stayed out. Now death toll approaching 200,000, millions of refugees, Al Qaeda using as springboard to invade Iraq ....

baloney, we couldnt afford to keep spending billions every year occupying it, with no end in sight. The mistake was destabilizing Syria, paving the way for Al Qaeda to set up shop on Syria's border with Iraq

LOL that is funny Seriously though it's not pretty. Im worried about financial markets with oil rising, and if analysts start extrapolating out chance of widening conflicts in mideast or Ukraine ... big sell offs.

We may not agree on all the issues at home, but that's where we and our politicians should be committing our focus. I think the people are there, it's Washington thats not. Polls support this.

Really digging the Swedish Pop-Metal band "Ghost BC". They wear costumes and try to keep their identity strictly secret, however the speculation is the lead singer is Tobias Forge. I think he's kind of an indie-pop singer, and that's where the lighter voice and pop influence comes from. It's a nice contrast. "If You Have Ghosts" is the catchy tune that hooked me, and subsequently I'm getting deeper into their library. http://youtu.be/OD1mbSZydGY Be interested what other relatively new bands people like, as I'm pretty much stuck in the 90's and my perception of popular stuff is too tainted by the likes of Bieber, Swift, Miley, etc. to bother trying to sort thru it.

Let's see ..... 1. Western: Ukraine is sliding closer to civil war, in the aftermath of a violent rebellion we supported to remove a democratically elected leader. And we've committed military support to Western Europe thru NATO if they meet Russian troops in battle. 2. Middle East: Al Qaeda (whose side we supported in Syria), is building their own state in the neighboring Syrian and Iraqi territories, against the government we installed in Iraq. 3. Asia: we are committed to provide military support to Japan if war with China erupts over some disputed tiny uninhabited islets that 99.99% of Americans can't name or find on a map.

Nice work bro, military strikes against the terrorists we armed in Syria! ! Obama warns of US action in Iraq President Barack Obama on Thursday threatened US military strikes in Iraq against Sunni Islamist militants who have surged out of the north to menace Baghdad and want to establish their own state in Iraq and Syria. http://www.iol.co.za...90#.U5qFbfk72Ag