truth on hold

Not quite. Many west bank settlers (and those who support them like netanyahu) think God deeded the land of "Judea and Samaria" to the Jews. They deny any UN jurisdiction or Palestinean claims for that reason.

Horrific and sad. If it was shot down (seems like too much coincidence otherwise), who did it: rebels or government? Rebels I didn't think had SAMs went that high, and why would government be concerned when rebels have no air force ?

Then why was the DB there? Looked awfully risky into all that traffic

Boys Drawn to Gaza Beach, and Into Center of Mideast Strife by ANNE BARNARD New York Times JULY 16, 2014 GAZA CITY — The four Bakr boys were young cousins, the children of Gaza fishermen who had ordered them to stay indoors — and especially away from the beach. But cooped up for nine days during Israeli bombardments, the children defied their parents and went out Wednesday afternoon, the eldest shooing away his little brother, telling him it was too dangerous. As they played on and around a jetty in the late-afternoon sun, a blast hit a nearby shack. One boy was killed instantly. The others ran. There was a second blast, and three more bodies littered the sand. One was charred, missing a leg, and another lay motionless, his curly head intact, his legs splayed at unnatural angles. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/world/middleeast/gaza-strip-beach-explosion-kills-children.html?_r=0&referrer=

is it my imagination, or is Hollywood getting marginally better? Ive been pretty much anti-hollywood for years due to the typical "shoot em up, canned script, forced happy ending" take no risk formula that predominates. But the last few Ive seen Ive been pleasantly surprised.

I guess the end or LB who was coming at Tuel from his left made him panic and lock on his first read

a horrible, inexcusable situation. Basically what you have are maniacs with the mentality of the Israeli politician Ayelet Shaked who says kill them ALL, being given advanced weapons. Weapons so advanced they can shoot down nearly every one of the thousands of rockets it chooses, but we're supposed to believe cant differentiate between four 10 year olds playing soccer on a beach in broad daylight. This is not solely on the maniacal Israeli firing at them, it's on the international community that supports and allows this to go on. Thoughts and prayers out to the families of those boys

Where's Prometheus II, that's what I want. If they remove the Hollywood fluff it could be even better than the first.

Who was he trying to throw to? Stevie was wide open

Given how bad our game plans have been over the last few years I wish our QBs hadnt watched theirs either.

Of course the Israeli naval gunner bears no responsibility.

4 Palestinian children killed on beach by Israeli shelling, official says "The kids were playing football on the beach. They were all … under the age of 15," said Ahmed Abu Hassera, 22. "When the first shell hit the land, they ran away but another shell hit them all," said Abu Hassera, whose shirt was stained with blood. "It looked as if the shells were chasing them," he told Reuters. http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2708280

Apes is good, slow paced for a while but provocative. Fight scenes near the end with the slow build up give it an epic feel. Some insights on how conflicts between peoples happen, and remedies to end them. Particularly relevant given the situation in Israel and Gaza. Along with Godzilla, this season has treated us to a pair of quality sci-fi flicks

Here's the original article from The Independent/UK from last Friday. If the accusation were false I think good old Ayelet Shaked would have denied it by now...... MIRA BAR HILLEL Friday 11 July 2014 Why I'm on the brink of burning my Israeli passport I can no longer stand by while Israeli politicians like Ayelet Shaked condone the deaths of innocent Palestinian women and children http://www.independe...rt-9600165.html

Another beauty from those "self reflecting" Israelis. Just imagine how this would be splashed all over this board if a Fatah politician said this about Israeli jews: 'MOTHERS OF ALL PALESTINIANS SHOULD ALSO BE KILLED,' SAYS ISRAELI POLITICIAN "They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," said Shaked. Standing behind the operations on Gaza, "they are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists," Shaked added. The posts were considered as a call for genocide because it declared that "the entire Palestinian people is the enemy" and justifies its destruction, "including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure." she also called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes." http://www.dailysaba...aeli-politician

more from those "self reflective" Israelis .... they're suffering so much "Sderot cinema. Israelis bringing chairs 2 hilltop in sderot 2 watch latest from Gaza. Clapping when blasts are heard. " http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html

officially founded in 85' and like I said subsequently denied involvement. not in boots on the ground, like Ive said repeatedly. Unwinding the ecomomic and diplomatic support in one fell swoop would have been a huge undertaking, even for someone like Reagan. However we do know his successor and VP Bush Sr tried to make aid conditioned on settlement freeze and removal, and got shot down by the Israel lobby. (yet again having to repeat myself)

I saw them live once, and it was fun, but the sound system was terrible. too loud, brittle and distorted. I thought I was in the sweet spot -- about half way back in the middle, so I assume it was pretty bad all over. Ive heard they do that on purpose ... not sure if it's to replicate live sound of their early days in small clubs, or conceal lars crappy drumming and kirk's crappy guitar playing lol .. I dont care, great band

and hey moron, Hezbollah didnt even exist at the time of the beirut bombings and has subsequently denied any involvement. But yeah this group who you assert is at open warfare with us wouldnt claim a huge kill? yeah right, get a clue buddy because most people would realize my comment in reference to soldiers in israel's war zones meant support in boots on the ground. But I realize the "israel-first, israel-only" goobers in here aren't "most people". Just a bunch of losers trying to play "gotcha" because they no real argument to stand on

he got our troops the hell out of their war zones, never to return thats for sure. And his Republican successor Bush Sr. tried to make aid to Israel conditioned on settlement removal, then the Israeli-first, Israeli-only lobby went bat s#!t and shot it down.

yeah so we stick a bunch of marines in the middle of a conflict and expect nothing to happen? kidding me?!!!! Even Reagan said "screw it, that's enough" after that and got all our troops out of harm's way ... he learned the hard way supporting Israel ain't worth it

Why dont you list all these declarations and violent acts, then we can examine what was said or not said, done or not done.

Actually I was using TTT's logic, which Ive made clear several times. And when he kept back tracking, then I presented the hypothetical about Palis getting hold of Israeli's nukes in Dimona instead, which of course he fell back into the familiar patterns of "palis are the aggressors" and modifying his "philosophy" of total destruction only when you're not the aggressor. But hey Arent you the one who said economic acts arent warfare? So then you agree we're not at war with either. That, along with agreeing the line about "Israel being the only democracy" is "retarded" (your words) ... maybe there's hope for you!

Hezbollah has absolutely nothing to do with us. Nothing. Iran has no nuclear weapons program (more netanyahu propaganda), and poses no threat to us. As a matter of fact wed have better relationship with them already if Israelis would stop trying to sabotage it. Israel only creates "enemies" for us in the region. They act in their own selfish self interest. Its well past time we act in ours