DC Tom

It's "smrt," you idoit.

But it's baskin, so...absurdities, yet completely expected.

Seriously? You're ignoring most of what was recorded to happen, and ascribing prosecutorial actions and partisanship to the judge...and we're reinforcing our preconceptions? Are you just functionally retarded, or literally mentally disabled?

More likely there'd simply be no record of their existence in the Old World. Can't be counted as a casualty if you never officially existed to begin with. But you know who never chanted "Build a wall!" Hitler!

That's not what happened. That's not even close to what happened.

With great difficulty. 3.5 million is a hard, reliable floor, because it's based on Western census data pre- and post-war, and German records (they were surprisingly reliable at recording numbers of deaths in the camp system), and the two sources double-check each other fairly reliably. Above that...it's important to note that the eastern and western experiences of the Holocaust were very different. A lot more people were "killed in place" in the east, in many more ways by a lot more groups, in regions were the census data was unreliable or non-existent (e.g. the Ukraine). To expand on Rob's example: when a German police battalion attached to a Wehrmacht Army HQ on "bandit hunting duty" casually torches and shoots all the inhabitants of a Jewish village that doesn't even exist in the Soviet census because it was ignored after half the occupants were killed by the NKVD in the early '30s...how does one count that? Are they recorded as Soviet civilian deaths, partisan casualties, Holocaust casualties? Usually, they'd be counted as all three by different people, if they're even recorded at all. And multiply that by...maybe a couple tens of thousands of villages. No one knows for sure, because there's no reliable record of villages destroyed. Given all that...there's no particularly accurate count of Holocaust deaths east of the Curzon line. Any deaths, really - the estimates of Soviet war dead are largely based on the statistical impact on future population demographics in the Soviet Union, and range between 20 and 27 million. It's not secret. The funding is open, public, and can be traced fairly easily.

Didn't some predict that the narrative would become the judge's initial rant, and ignore his retraction?

Critical Number Theory. 111% is just as valid as 100%. You and your toxic cis-math can just ***** right off.

Of course not. Your face is intolerable.

Most of the Holocaust deaths would have been in the 1942-1944 time frame. Three years, probably about 80% of the deaths. That's more like 5000 deaths per day. Treblinka alone, when it was operational (for 15 months), could have as many as 7000 victims a day (though that was beyond its capacity. Treblinka was truly hell on earth - the stories from there are blood-curdling, even compared to Auschwitz.) Auschwitz, at it's peak capacity in early 44, handled 12,000 victims a day. I have approximate numbers somewhere, but off the top of my head, the death toll for the entire year of 1940 was a few days' operation of Auschwitz in 44. So no, the Holocaust as most people think of it (gassing of Jews) was not a decade-long affair, but concentrated in about three years.

The "official start" of the "Final Solution" is usually considered to be January of 42, with the Wannsee conference. Before that, deaths were incidental to either general brutality against the Jews, or as an effect of the Hunger Plan. After that, you have the Reinhardt camps, Auschwitz, and the concerted effort to depopulate central Poland (the General Government). I'm curious...what part of Europe was your grandmother from? Generally, gunning down villagers was a common practice in the east more than the west, which goes back to my earlier post: there was little record-keeping east of central Poland, for that and many other reasons. But like you say...far more complex than just the camp system. To the east, you had the early anti-Jewish pogroms conflated with the anti-Bolshevik crusade, combined with native anti-Semitic uprisings in the Baltic states and western Ukraine (local auxiliary police often worked side by side with the Einsatzgruppen), all mixed together under different commands (local army and army group HQs, Wehrkreis, Organization Todt, several different branches of SS, the Bandenbekaempfung. The experience in the west is much more straightforward: deportation, transport, incarceration, gassing at Auschwitz. The western impression of industrialized murder is far from the practice of casual but extreme violence that characterized the Holocaust in the east. Side note: subjects like this, by the way, are the reason that NO ONE SHOULD BE COMPARING TRUMP TO HITLER.

I'm guessing, that since the Redskins and Ravens play Saturday, and Buffalo/NE is CBS's feature game, at 1pm the DC region will see...infomercials.

It's what they toast with when the trial's over. "Guilty! Time to break out the Martini & Rossi Sua Sponte!"

That's not all that unusual. There's always fringe tribalists who espouse a narrow definition of their tribe. 4-9 million. The problem with the number is that once you get east of the Curzon line, the statistics get very murky. The genocide was more informal, broader, diverse (in both perpetrator and victim), poorly tracked...and the Soviets had a vested political interest in muddying up the numbers for "victim's rights" purposes - in some estimates of WWII deaths, there's several million European dead "double counted" as Soviet war dead and Holocaust dead, by Soviet design. But even the smallest known reliable numbers - people west of the Curzon line, where populations were reliably counted and censused, and where the victims were carefully inventoried by the SS-TV - amount to some 3 million. West of the Curzon line, it gets ambiguous because of pre-war pogroms, migrations, and deportations, because Nazi occupation policy was much more starkly brutal and murderous in that theater in general, because it was a theater where everyone was trying to kill everyone else ("German-occupied" Russia was less "occupied" than it was an ungoverned wasteland occupied by a patchwork of competing partisan groups), and because post-war migrations and deportations were genocidal in and of themselves. But the numbers are anywhere from 1 to 5 million, depending on how you choose to define "Holocaust victim."

Sullivan really wants something. I wouldn't yet commit to what.

"One MOMENT of BLISS - A LIFETIME of REGRET!" Also applies to sex, and Bills fandom.

We tolerate Boyst. Not the same thing.

No, just idiots. And I don't drink...so I'll absolutely cast that first mother*****ing stone.

"You need to meet the extreme outliers, not the vast majority of potheads who are too stoned out of their minds to hold a coherent conversation." Again: the single biggest argument against the legalization of pot is the ineffable dopiness of the stoners arguing for it.

By threatening them with additional charges? No, they don't.

Actually, no. Asking the defendant if they want to retract their guilty plea is common due diligence on the judge's part, particularly if the defendant has stated they have grounds for an affirmative defense (such as government misconduct). A judge has the authority to toss out a deal or guilty plea he thinks is unjust or forced, and send a case to trial. That Sullivan didn't do that is a stronger indicator than badgering Flynn about withdrawing his plea. What it's an indicator of depends entirely on one's bias in this case. With the mess you've made, you're not getting your deposit back.

Summary: "I don't recall."

If the judge threatened Flynn, that would be a gross dereliction of his duty as a judge.

This is true. This is also true. This is misleading, as there are no such thing as "cute little ice rats."

Hitler was a Zionist, though...