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i'd take him as DC

ok, so haslett started his starting QB instead of the back up who turned out better than his starter? didn't marty do that when he had grbac in over gannon and KC failed to make the SB inspite of home field and the NFL's best record? gannon went on to kick ass for the raiders. sure haslett is not perfect, and his team sucked this year. that team also has the worst owner and some of the worst management in the NFL. the postives (only play off win in NO history) outweight the negatives (bad disciplin, starting the wrong QB) considering the circumstances (that team lost more talent than any other while haslett was there and ditka saddled them with a problem child RB and a lack of other young players) and i'm willing to throw out his last year (katrina). the bottom line is if you don't like haslett because you don't think he did enough record and play off wise, then the clear choice is martz because he is the one coach who did have success that is being canned. if you think martz is a bad candidate for some other non record reasons, then using haslett's record as the reason not to hire him (and i think his record wasn't that bad) is a bit dishonest sherman took a built up franchise no where. he also more or less just decided to ride favre however he went. if he was smarter he might have avoided all those big melt down games that favre likes to have in the playoffs.

there are millions of people in america who are neither white nor black. obviously because of slavery and what not white/black issues in the US are more politically charged and exciting to talk about. but if we are going to talk about white and black crime and poverty in america (and the point made sarcasticly above about black racists being impossible is ironic because there are plenty of people who say that there cannot be black racists) we shouldn't call it racism because all races besides white and black tend to be left out.

the diminishing standard is the big thing here. there are some stupid kids. they nearly always have stupid parents and in many cases have never challenged their brains (just like there are fat sloppy kids who have fat sloppy parents and have never challenenged their bodies). dumb kids will have to struggle their whole lives to scratch the surface of average on most things. they tend to be lazy and more of them than average will be violent or cruel or disruptive. public school (in the states and canada for the most part) caters to them at the expense of average to smart children. if sports catered to the fat slow lazy clowns, we'd never have a pop warner game worth playing let alone the NFL. smarter and particularly more driven children should take harder and more rewarding courses than little morons. the number of students in a class isn't the largest factor either. having fewer students per teacher is generally so that little idiots can get extra help because their barely double digit IQ brains can't understand fractions. the model of schools being large central institutions that have to be all things to all people is just bad. the teachers in these schools are more often than not pretty poor as well. the smarter and more ambitious people stay clear of teaching, so you end up with not too bright people who think showing up is enough and that's why schools graduate idiots. you can look at what students in south korea, hungary, many parts of india, japan, hong kong, and france learn to how under stimulated many young people are in public school here.

OK. i have seen more sarcastic and dismissive remarks about hazz and martz here than any other coaching candidate. I have seen people criticise hazz because of his record. the thing is, NO has sucked as a franchise for ever and he didn't have a terrible record with them. they had 16 road games last year, he won them their first and only ever play off game, and he was in a VERY tough division (atlanta, TB and Carolina, over the previous 3 seasons one of these teams made it to the NFC championship game, and two of them won it!) and accept for last season always was ahead of one of those teams. if you don't like hazz because of his record, you HAVE to like Martz because of his. no fired head coach has nearly the results that martz has had over the years, both as an OC and HC. if you don't like either, who should be the coach? please don't point out annecdotal stuff (Martz never runs, hazz was mean to my buddy hull!) unless you are going to point out all the annecdotes for all the coaches. thanks

i don't think marv is gonna coach i'll also take the hazz, i think he has some really strong positives and will learn from some of the mistakes he made in NO

hazz i'm happy to have him, but we need some co-ordinators

are you being sarcastic? i honestly can't tell. if you are NOT being sarcastic, i agree with you. that has been a killer division and NO has had some issues.

haslett

martz would be a hell of an OC

owens evans and parish would be a pretty good combo for the deep ball. jp would toss 30+ with that cast, but obviously it could tear up the team. i'd like to see moulds play like he did the second half of the year (including against carolina with jp passing to him).

with a better line and OC willis could top 2k from scrimmage next year. he might be a marked man for the pro bowl

i think we are getting hutch/bently in FA this year i also think we are going to sign another Olineman in FA. i think we need the best D lineman with our first pick because we WILL have a shot at a guy who would be a 1st rounder in previous years in the 2nd round at OT. that said, i think the brick might be a good enough player to chuck that in the water and hope for the inverse, that is being able to find a solid DT in round 2. brick someone bently CV/Preston Williams/Peters would be a pretty crazy line. there are about 25 Gs in the NFL who could look very very good in that line with that kind of talent at C and T.

Turley is a washed up spaz

that and the lack of systematic effort to bolster our lines when they looked soft in areas (while he was willing to throw picks at WR, RB, and QB) was his biggest player blunder. his coaching selections were the big f up tho

both are important great OL men and very very rare, rarer than great d linemen d linemen are much less consistent tho. a solid O lineman is fairly common, a solid DT is rare enough to cost about 4 or 5 bucks for one who plays about half the downs. an O line takes a lot to gell and play well together. a d line thrives on chaos and rotations work well in keeping them fresh without destroying chemistry. i think we need about 2 new starters on each line, and can get that this offseason. it would only take a couple quality guys to really improve both our D and our O

the more i reflect on it the more i think JP has a good chance of being a quality NFL qb. he really did play against some tough Ds compared to holcomb, and i think if he is in a slightly dumbed down O where he throws long and runs more (two things he is good at and two things that scare the hell out of Ds) and mcgahee gets 20+ carries and 5+ plus passes a game we have what could be a pretty good O. the fact that we have a big back, a fast running qb with a strong arm, and are about the worst in the NFL in the redzone shows me that our game plan was putrid

i'll go with losman because no one we sign will be much better and have the same upside. we ditched drew cuz he was a 9-7 QB (i think that sums up drew pretty nicely), no point to bring in another one, just roll with JP. i think he can at least be as good as what eli did this year.

they hang around in games and then have enough mis match guys on O to win games. leftwich is garbage tho, he really is overrated

nope dick was in pitts with their 15-1 team and number 1 D grey did last season all on his own. in 5 years gray makes the same mistakes he made in his first year. he needs to eat glass

with tko in we destroyed the texans, got run on by the then super hot bucs and he went down against atlanta note that his achilies was hurt the whole time, so he was slowed down. our pass D was super solid for the first 3 or 4 weeks, it was our run D that sucked. TKO being off the team did NOT result in a better D

jack del rio and leftwich didn't come to win to that game. the d was super solid for about 2.5 quarters, but then just started to fall apart, a lack of adjustments left them open to the tight ends. leftwich went the whole first half without making a play, he sat in the pocket like a goon and never threw the ball more than 12 yards. the pats were daring him to run and left the middle right in front of him open and he couldn't because he is hurt. gerrard is a better QB than leftwich in the first place, let alone when leftwich is hurt. the jags lost before they tossed the coin because they had the wrong players playing. the redskins showed a team that came ready to play. even tho they got dismantled on O, they stayed in the game and greggggg man boobs outclassed gruden on O. i'm sure mularky would be just steller in a play off game

our O has been garbage for a few years now we have had spurts of a running game, but some of the same athletes who tore it up in 02 for us have stunk under clements and mularky (travis henry being one of them). with what JP has shown in his better moments, if we have an O that has some vertical passing, consistent running WITH OUR BEST PLAYERS NOT SHAUD, some new blockers, and quick reads JP could shine. right now we have a grab bag play calling bad package based O. our passing game is all about option routes and slow to develop short passes with lots of motion. this is the worst kind of O for any young QB, and an average nfl OC should be able to come in and run a much better O. there were about 5 Os worse than us last year and about 3 this year. we really need some coaches and i wonder if we will ever win with mularky here

leftwich is just a poor man's bledsoe drew has done MUCH more with a decent bills O in 02 and did more this year in dallas than leftwich can. how tough he is is secondary to how well he can play, he is a quarterback not a tackling dummy. he stands still in the pocket, makes slow reads, and needs a guy pretty open before he can anything done. poor man's drew

damn right garrard should have started the whole time leftwich is hurt and just useless, madden said he looked bad in warm ups, so he was just never ready to play, but moron del rio puts him in. it makes me sick that so many coaches just forget everything they know when they play the pats. the jags have always had a solid team but a pretty crappy O, and gerrard made them better (not a ton better). leftwich is a bust frankly, he is a guy EVERYONE just said is good or a warrior or whatever, but just can't get his team to score points, and they have a good line!! frankly JP on the jags would be better than leftwich. i bet they make him the starter and watch him suck next year too.