colin

i could be wrong, but im thinking a trade for hendricks is better than sweat as a FA. FA CB could be good, but i wonder if putting a first of our 3 picks and then a late pick into CB isn't the better idea. that seems to have worked out more than once in the past. and am i smoking rocks thinking elam might just emerge (w better coaching and the knowledge that he has one shot left) as a guy who could play CB in the nfl?

samuel will have to get a lot better quickly. i think his feet were a mess and that is a big part of it, but w knox, kinkaid, shakir, samuel and how coleman looks so far, we are all slots all the time. if he can do some real work outside he'll improve our O a lot. brown has actually really bad deep pass stats, don't think he was ever someone the team wanted

C and G are the lowest value positions on the offense with the exception or RB, but that might be changing (not so long ago, RB was second only to qb). unless we are extending a real difference maker, i think the above is the correct strategy. if we can maintain at these IOL positions, or have one stud in the middle three and the other two being the best young guys on the team constantly fighting for burn, then that's money to spend on much higher position value (we already have our bookends locked up, and they make our line what it is). being able to grab a difference maker at WR, DE, or CB is worth much more than the same relative goodness at IOL. all that said, if he's actually better by enough than those behind him, he's worth a value contract. but we inked morse, knox, and diggs (his second contract, first was great) to deals that did not at all match their production and it cost us come playoff time.

ya, im pretty much bought into the joe marino method of cap %. samuels, knox, milano, miller all "hurt" the team because their production vs % of cap (historically, since the deals were signed) has been terrible. diggs and tre white similar, but an order of magnitude worse. diggs fell off, but the rest of them got hurt. if bernard, groot, and shakir stay healthy, these will all go down as solid signings. the above mentioned bad contracts will be replaced with cheaper rookies, or maybe one or two solid (hope superstar) free agents. Miller was signed for a similar aav (have to look into the specific details, it might be more like 18 than 20, but let's presume 20), but 10% of cap, and he was 10 years older. if we fudge the numbers a tiny bit, say presuming more cap growth, or presuming it is a bit lower aav than the headline, von was 50% more expensive than groot. chandler jones singed for a similar contract to miller (guarantee money at the least, 3 years and 51mm) and turned into a pumpkin almost instantly. the d sucked last season, so the glass half full view is we are signing these defenders to smaller contracts than they might have had post 2023

im personally looking for the donte whitner of the draft.

if they are extending him, benford, and groot, and especially if they bring in a heavy hitter on DL, they need to get cheaper all over the spot w rookies for depth and some starters. CB, S, DT, as well as maybe an OG/C (edwards will be an upgrade target, torrence will be expensive to extend in 2 years) WR, and maybe RB, and back up qb. aside from just not having an outside wr, our weakest spots are clearly secondary followed by DL. we need to add at least one difference maker there. as far as this specific contract -- 2024 bernard was OK, 2023 bernard was an actual monster, filled up the stat sheet as well as any bills LB i've seen. if he's more like 23 and less like 24 it's a good signing, if he gets hurt too much it's another albatross. time will tell.

as mentioned in another thread, w shakir's contract and paying cook what he wants we'd be at sub 10% now (and less in 2 years) for our two best skill players. a long threat wr is somewhat necessary for us to get over the next hump, but it can be one of like 30 guys who can do it decently. there arent' many guys who can fill our pass rush and up front physical needs.

if we can't get garrett he will do.

if the contract was ok i'd replace von with him

my thoughts exactly. he's a potentially killer weapon, but not a consistent or every route kind of guy, and def not at that price.

he's a really good player, top 15 or so DE in the NFL. 20-25 as a % of cap this season an the next 4 is decent, prolly goes down to under 7% in 2027. we still need play maker additions to our team, cb, de, wr, and just like quality nfl players at those three positions as well as S, and DT. getting weaker at DE is just the wrong direction, and there will be plenty of cap to go around.

i personally think johnson was just snake bit, and having flutie behind him contributed to that (showing that flutie was an underhanded operator, and that johnson was simply no leader of men). that said, i agree, i think if that kick got covered, that team was ready to just walk to the chip, and would have had as good a chance as any vs the rams. pat williams and marcellus wylie, two multiple time all pro players, were back ups on that d line.

I always thought it would peak out at like 12 per year for cook, but that's picking nits. 2/3 years in a similar contract for cook gets us to like 7% of cap on our two best skill players of 2024 when we lead the nfl in scoring. I'll take that.

I used to think both were good but johson was slightly better in that he gave us a better chance to win a chip. now i think both kinda sucked, and johnson was slightly better in that he gave us a better chance to lose a heart breaker we shoulda won vs losing a game in desperation where it felt like we had a better chance to win than we ever really did. back then the special teams were trash, the oline was awful at pass blocking, the skill talent was actually good, and the was simply disgusting dominant.

stomach churning disrespectful no account vulgar display of offensive savagery. stomach churning disrespectful no account vulgar display of offensive savagery.

when i'm frantically using the internet with one hand, it tends to mean a different thing than for you my handicapable friend.

I need a giddy excited emote for posts. frankly, we could use a few more. and im glad a man w a wooden hand like yourself can post such swift news. damn the alligator.

the more i read the thread, the more convinced i am that 1) aside from an actual difference maker on D, our depth there is putrid. we can't have a single injury to a position group and have a non replacement level guy on the field, and we have that at every group and at safety without any injuries. 2) we really need to get our coverage better. pass rush and run d need improvement, but our ability to cover anything besides deep passes is putrid. pass rush helps with that, but being able to play man or zone quickly and with any impact is more important 3) one single knock out guy on our O is an absolute cheat code. cook looks like a top 4 back on our O, ty johnson looks like a top 3 3rd down back, and rookie ray davis looks like a monster. the oline and allen made that happen. if we had one single guy on the outside it would ruin defensive plans against us. allen is able to create and extend better than anyone i've ever seen, a monster deep is just nightmare fuel. if the price isn't too dear, dk metcalf puts us over the top on o, and we would have a few ways to get the d to where it's good enough to keep teams behind us on the scoreboard.

i see shakir on o as i do (did) milano on D. the combination of their ability, value to the team, and positional value. Milano was at a slightly lower value position, is a better player at that position, but has lower value to the team (hurt too much, this is before he signed his contract). if shakir stays healthy, it's a quality and good value signing.

debo for a 5th and he's getting under 22 a year makes me think dk won't get the money or seattle the picks discussed here. i'd trade a 3rd or whatever for dk and pay him 20-25.

some of the profiles i've read on him say he isn't a great natural athlete and lacks bend (which might be the case) but with a 40 inch plus vert and a 10 foot plus broad, along w his 40 time, he's pretty comfortably among the most athletic guys over 6'6" around.

agree totally. that seems really rich for DK (the price that gb will evidently pay). i think a deal would look similar to what we got for diggs or thereabouts. for that, and making assumptions about the cap/contracts, we could potentially swing him and garrett. the addition of those two on this team would create shocking results. mcd could run his d how he likes, mixing coverages and daring people to run, and the O would be the same change up many weapon nightmare it is now, but with an instant KO overhand right thrown into the soup.

You know what, I'm going to go against the grain here. I'm looking for MORE excuses. I want to hear about how hard coaches and players work, even in defeat. I want to read about how hard it is to win in the NFL. I'd like to hear details about Kincaid's knee (or whatever) and how much he had to work, just to get out of bed in the morning, let alone play an NFL football game! Beane, tell me about the tricky cap situation! LFG! Ex Post justifications for everyone!

schobel for sure. he got hurt late in his career, his feet i think. if he played on an actually talented team, and especially if he were around today because of how d's play now, he'd have had some really gnarly stats

if we do a joe marino and look at all of it as % of cap, groot getting 22-24 apy is a full cut below what the above mentioned guys got when they were market setting (in % terms). an extension can also allow for cap relief now to take the hit later, but given the rate of growth in the cap, that means the cap % just goes down, so it will average from like 8 down to 6 and change %. i was disgusted with groot in the afc chip game, but he's been our best defender otherwise, and has some (but not enough) elite traits. groot, oliver, a warm body, and garrett is a championship level dline, i say we get that together this offseason.