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13 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:
Well.
How about it?
All of you closet Pseudojournalists should be camping out @ TBN for an interview......
That would be one of the best things ever in my life. Maybe the best thing in my last whole year.
I would last exactly one press conference though. And I would type my ass off to try and get the story in before I got fired. I think I would just need to make sure somebody filmed it because they couldn't print the story on account of I would use their same song language at them.
Like: "Good afternoon Coach McDermott. Thank you for taking my question. About the working relationship between you and Brandon Beane, of the two of you, who would you say is more the B word, and who is more the whore? Like are you the whore and General Manager Beane is the B word? Or are you both whores? Both bitches? Or maybe I have it wrong, is one of you a slut? Can you talk a little bit about that please?"
My God it would be great though
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25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
I still don't know how Goodell has that job. He mishandled the Ray Rice situation claiming he "never saw" the actual videotape, overreacted and dragged on the Deflategate fiasco to make up for his destroying of tapes with Spygate, forced TNF onto the league leading to some awful games, tried low balling referees despite their obscene profits leading to the disastrous scab refs, and implemented the stupid excessive celebrations rule after a touchdown. I know the owners were happy with the 2011 collective bargaining agreement, but this National Anthem screw up should be the nail in his coffin. Instead he gets a 5 year 200 million dollar contract extension.
You and I agree on how good he is at the people / policy part of the job. Not good.
But he got the renewal because there is a new CBA coming up. He has been good at that. If he is good again next time it means more gazillions of dollars. Why they don't just let him be the lawyer finance guy and take care of that end of it, and get a people person manager for the Commissioner's job, I will never know.
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Sample from the Atlanta Falcons Team DJ playlist who shared 18 of his best pump up songs that the team likes at practice.
I'mma have the whole set crying
Have the police like "man down"
Spraying rounds
Talk of the town
A K clip walking around
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1 hour ago, Wily Dog said:
You are a person who has NO idea what they were kneeling for. They are kneeling for a basic freedom of justice for ALL. Not just the boneheads that think the "Justice For All" in our pledge was meant for you and not all Americans.
Well in fairness I think their message has been quite muddled. But i do think I have the basic idea.
My post was more in the way of pointing out, in an absurd way, the essential ridiculousness of the NFL fining teams as a punitive measure. They are fining themselves.
Say I get stopped for speeding I have to pay a ticket, but I pay it to myself. Geeze I had to pay 150 bucks! I take it from my wallet and put it in my piggy bank. That isn't too far from what they are doing.
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24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Good luck coordinating that with 32 teams within a few days.
Exactly. You would need a commissioner who could handle that. They have chosen one who instead is making them gigantic profits. Goodell should be head of NFL accounting. But the nimrod owners don't understand that.
And now the owners are not even consistent in backing up their own league plan!
So now they will get owned. As many have pointed out this may now become worse instead of better in terms of it being a distraction to the business.
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3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
There were too many raw emotions at the time. Both by the players who protested and the teammates who felt the president took a direct shot at their brothers in the locker room by calling them SOB's who should be fired at a rally in Alabama. I don't know how the teams could've done it any differently.
How you do it differently would be to clam down, take some deep breaths, and think about where what you are doing, can lead you.
That is very often the difference between someone who does foolish things, and someone who doesn't.
Between someone who gets baited, trolled, and owned, and someone who doesn't.
In fact I think if you are smart, and have learned something in life, you would know that when you are emotionally upset, that is the time to not act. That is the time to wait and calm down and then think. These guys thought they were big shots and they would show him. That is not what is happening.
2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Hey, Meanie. My favorite sources say you are absolutely correct about the baseball connection. From "The Straight Dope":
" this site, (http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2003-02-28-flagprotest.shtml) had this info:It is generally accepted that its first appearance during a sporting event was the 1918 World Series. To demonstrate major league patriotism, baseball teams had the players march in formation during pre-game military drills while carrying bats on their shoulders. During the seventh-inning stretch of game one, when the band spontaneously began to play the "Star Spangled Banner," the Cubs and Red Sox players stood at attention facing the centerfield flag pole. The crowd sang along and applauded when the singing ended.
For those who aren't history buffs, the US entry into WWI in April, 1917 spurred a wave of patriotism across the country - a wave of patriotism with its dark side. President Woodrow Wilson said ""Any man who carries a hyphen about with him*, carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic when he gets ready." German-Americans considered themselves to be good Americans of German extraction or descent, with no love for the rulers left behind. Nevertheless, anti-German hysteria took hold. The German language was forbidden; German newspapers were censored; German books were removed from library shelves. Lynching occurred in the Midwest, beatings elsewhere.
Anyway I digress: bottom line, anthems before sporting events initiated during a surge of government-supported patriotism during WWI.Thanks Hap! A different time. The marching with bats would seem VERY corny nowadays.
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1 hour ago, ALF said:
As a veteran I don't have a problem with players taking a knee for this cause. I do respect those who are offended.
If players are willing to pay a fine for their demonstration that is ok. I don't want the owner to pay it for them though. jmo
I wish those of us who are annoyed by it, could sign up and have the fines paid to us. I wouldn't mind it all if that happened. I wonder how much money it is? Say I got 100 bucks for every bozo that kneeled down. That would be pretty sweet. I think I am some sort of a dick because that thought actually makes me happy. I would probably even be hollering for more of them to man up and kneel.
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23 minutes ago, Andrew in CA said:
And yes i agree with you that the NFL seems to be totally clueless when it comes to all of their problems, not just the anthem stuff.
On this last point, just my own two cents. I have finally come to realize that the reason the NFL always has such trouble with the image that they have a lower opinion of and are disrespectful of women, is because they are. I never believed that I always thought it was an unfair slam on them. But having looked a lot, I think it is true.
To your larger point I agree they are insulated in some weird way that they can't see their problems in a clear headed way.
4 minutes ago, Andrew in CA said:Exactly -- the anthem becomes a school bell letting everyone know to get to class on time! It is not about reflection or reverence. You're right that if they stopped it now, it would be seen as a response to these protests, but I think that they should've done this awhile ago.
I bet they wish they had stopped a while ago!
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16 minutes ago, Andrew in CA said:
I'd prefer if all sports just stopped playing the anthem altogether. It is an odd time for a display of patriotism and we've all seemed to accept it because it's been going on for years and years. Why did they even do it in the first place?
Hey, all you drunks who've been throwing yourselves through tables and chugging liquor out of bowling balls for 5 hours, please stand and remove your hats and solemnly reflect on what it means to be an American before this sporting event, in which no team is playing on behalf of the nation! Oh, but feel free to puke in the bathroom or chug your beers in the concourse or get 12 more beers at the concession stands while it's playing!
Yeah I getcha -- those events were on my mind because I recently watched a four-part special on 1968. I agree in my lifetime that this is the most divided political climate, and I found myself wondering if we didn't have cable and the internet would we be seeing more of the large protests and violence that they saw in that year..... I don't know one way or the other, just got me thinking about it.
And yes i agree with you that the NFL seems to be totally clueless when it comes to all of their problems, not just the anthem stuff.
Good thoughts. On the anthem, that goes way back into baseball lore, at least that far back I think. No idea why they started. My best guess would be it signals people to settle down and pay attention the game is about to start.
It works well for that because most people figure they have to behave during it so it settles everyone down and gets them paying attention to the field.
I personally wouldn't stop playing it in response to this, unless things got very desperate. I think stopping on account of this would do more lasting harm than the kneeling.
3 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:Andrew -every major sport plays the National Anthem and in the NBA there is a far gr after percentage of people of color than the NFL, and standing for the Anthem is mandatory.
i still think this plan will be a spectacle as it will be obvious who is not out there. No one seemed to like my simple solution to just go pre 911 and not have anyone out there and problem solved.
By the way I absolutely agree with the players who as I adhore racial violence in anyway, and want as many players of any race or ethnicity protest these injustices. I just don’t agree with doing it on the field during a game. Raise funds, protests, talk to you’re local police depts about the injustices you’ve faced or extra stops when driving. It’s disgusting and should not be tolerated by superiors. For any of the police officers as a couple of years ago fired on an innocent person should go to jail.
i respect people who have an opposite opinion, but that does not mean my opinion is valid as well.
I’m sure I’ll catch it for my opinion, but I really try to be respectful of people I disagree with on this stance.
i hope all of you have a nice weekend.
The pre-911 is a falsehood. Check it out. That is just something somebody made up.
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The weird thing is , nobody says that. Everybody says Trust the Process. Even the players I think. And I never heard anyone say what it means. Fun times.
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1 minute ago, Andrew in CA said:
I don't think it blended in to the NFL but you had Tommie Smith and John Carlos raise their fists during the anthem at the 1968 olympics, and Muhammad Ali refused to go to Vietnam.
Thanks Andrew. I recall those things. To me though Tommie Smith and John Carlos were literally standing on their own platforms (the Olympic pedestals). They earned that through individual accomplishment. Ali was the same way.
I think an NFL game is a group effort of who knows how many people? Players, coaches, owners, etc. So to have a few guys say they are using their platform isn't right. They are using the platform of everybody who makes up the overall team. Their platform would be whatever individual recognition they could get from being a celebrity athlete.
Anyway that isn't what I am wondering about
I am more wondering if the NFL has faced a challenge like this before. One that has unknown implications. The NFL had always been very strict about keeping to the script and staying in their lane and not being used as publicity for anyone. Except if you paid them a fee for advertising .
I just wonder if they know what they are doing or if instead they have opened up Pandoras Box. It could be real interesting to see what happens.
Nowadays they have this in the middle of the most divided political climate since Vietnam & Nixon and all that, so far as I know. And they are kind of taking a side.
They have the whole women beating image thing.
They have the CTE stuff. Which I happen to know from a doctor / professory pal that a new study shows that participating in football before age 12 predicts an average onset of dementia 5 years earlier if I remember correctly. He said it was good study. Wait til that becomes commonly known.
And the weird thing is I am not even sure if I have all the major problems listed. It is getting hard to keep track of them. I don't remember a time when the NFL was so messy on their landscape as it is now.
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14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Not ignored it, perhaps, but responded with a statement to the effect of "We, as the owners of the NFL, will exercise our rights to run our business as we see fit without unwarranted interference from elected officials" - or the like.
Ok. I can see doing that. I wouldn't word it that exact way because it brings into it the idea that so many teams get lots and lots of money from elected officials by way of stadium subsidies and all kinda perks. The trouble with the NFL is they have their hands in everybody's pockets.
So if I wanted to boycott the NFL like the one poster so they don't get any of my money, I really can't do that. They get state and county funds. And i don't even want to think about how much of the medical care some of these guys need for life, is paid for through Medicaid and such. So to me before the NFL can take a really hard line stance of independence, they need to restrict their revenue sources to tickets and advertising and such, and then just pay for everything they need to run their business out of that. Out of the money they make.
Back to your point, if they had someone who was very adept formulate a level, bland, measured, but firm statement that would have been ok.
Now I think about it they could have asked almost any coach to make the statement. Those guys are superb at saying nothing you can grab on to.
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I think there are certainly people who quit watching games because of the protests. I'm pretty sure it is a known fact. I don't see why everybody wants to claim this guy here is making it up. Geeze half the people on here believe the dunkirk guy. But somebody says they stopped watching games is not plausible.
On another note, I personally don't remember any level of controversy like this one for the NFL. Even during Vietnam I don't think the protests were allowed to bleed into the games.
Anybody else know if there has been a circumstance like this before?
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9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
It's a good thought, but eliminating the anthem will just make a portion of fans who are offended by players kneeling will boycott the NFL until the anthem is reinstated. A chance for a simple fix on this issue was lost when the president decided to pour gasoline on the fire.
I would say it was lost when the owners decided to react to it with statements of outrage and unity. Some taking it a bunch of levels up and making a big show of kneeling with their players. Talk about being trolled. Trump just made troll remark they should have just totally ignored it, but they were too stupid.
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21 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:
And, while they are at it, remind me of what they are doing about it besides kneeling.
Oh yeah, Kaepernick wore socks with pigs on them.
6 months or later, So far, I think the answer is pretty close to nothing.
Somebody got 90 million bucks out of it. But so far as I know most of the players have done zero. In terms of actually doing stuff. Maybe I am wrong but it seems like it would get more publicity if they did on account of them being famous athletes and stuff.
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I think it would be a good idea to just have the police stay home from the games. That way there wouldn't be any trouble.
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1 hour ago, Mickey said:
The issue isn't just about what the players can say at work, it is what the employer can compel them to say when at work.
I think there are limits to an employer's ability to compel speech by their employees when it is unrelated to work. Thus, Burger King can mandate that their employees say "have a nice day" after taking a customer's order. They cannot constitutionally compel them to say "God Bless America" or "God Save the Trump" whenever greeting a customer anymore than they can compel them to give a Nazi salute every time someone orders a whopper with no pickles or says the word "Obama". Mandating certain conduct during the national anthem, it could be argued, is compelling speech. And what it has to do with the job of winning football games I do not know.
I believe that this whole compromise of letting players stay in the locker room is likely a strategy to avoid the constitutional problem of compelling speech. At the same time, I don't think the NFL has solved its problem. People will just get all bent out of shape about players hiding in the locker room. Eventually, the President will tweet that the owners should "fire every SOB who disrespects our country and our soldiers by staying in the locker room." What then?
This doesn't make sense to me. They are just supposed to stand there. How is the forcing them to be political or say or endorse anything? All they are supposed to do is not disrupt it.
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13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
If he hated public speaking that much, he could probably have accomplished 75-80% of what he needed to do with a well-crafted statement.
But if he wants to make decisions that will rouse intense media attention, he really needs to "cowboy up" and own them beforehand. He could have made a statement and done the Wawrow interview beforehand if that was his preferred communication method. It would not have been optimal, but it would have avoided hanging poor ALynn out to dry.
And you know, when you're in a position where you have to communicate - with his money he could hire a public speaking coach and practice.
There is something to what you say. And Lynn should not have been tossed out there. But you could look at it another way. Say you don't like public speaking in the format of a press conference. At 60 years old like Terry is, with a business empire to run, you might take some extra time to try another round of public speaking lessons. Or you might prefer to let the GM that you are paying 5 million dollars a year to handle that aspect of things, handle them.
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13 hours ago, john wawrow said:
It was on Whaley for failing to represent the franchise, and being poorly prepped, knowing what he was in store for.
It didn’t help that he was leaking stuff to his friends while at the same time thoroughly avoiding the local media.
His tight-lipped responses were an embarrassment all around.
His desire to say as little as possible failed him and eventually shed full light on his many deficiencies.
He had a future in Buffalo before that press conference.
And his fate was sealed the moment he stepped off the podium.
It was, as we put it in the business, a total sh&t show.
jw
I had the impression that Whaley thew Terry Pegula under the bus with his "not privy" stuff and acting as if he had no real inkling that Ryan was going to be fired. So then Terry had to come out and clarify stuff with hos own statements. I thought throwing your boss under the bus was not a good ploy.
Thanks for the information you included and for your impressions.
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2 minutes ago, john wawrow said:
I can act however I like.
It’s still a free country, unless that’s also endangered.
jw
Indeed you can. And anyone who would consider complaining to your boss is a fruitcake. You are very welcome to state your opinions here.
Just I personally would like you to bring your A game.
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19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
That's a bit harsh. Journalists are an endangered species because of the demise of local papers so emotions are in play when you see colleagues go. But still responses could certainly be less combative.
6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:I don't think what jw writes are properly referred to as "columns". I may not be ginned up on the latest journalistic lingo, but I think what he writes are referred to as news articles, with 2 verified sources per AP standards, and an attempt to be objective and factual.
In this forum at this time, he seems kind of bent on being either disingenuous or provocative or both. I believe it may be because Sullivan and Gleason are both his friends, he respects them, and he finds it hard to process/accept the dislike their work over the last decade+ has engendered in some fans. It's kind of easier to impute an extreme position to someone (not even one iota of luck was involved with the Pegulas), burn down that straw man, and maybe write us all off as ignorant ijits.
Just my guess, maybe a bad guess. But most of us can sound pretty foolish when we get emotionally worked up.
Yeah but the thing is, he isn't good at it. The idea would be to match wits and counter argue, right? Not to make easily falsifiable, plainly incorrect posts that mis-state what was said.
On an even playing field John Wowrow should be able to crush the board in a debate because this is his area of expertise. He could even slip by lies as truth and we wouldn't know if it was about a specific area of his business. Instead he is getting slammed and seeming petty.
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2 hours ago, john wawrow said:
So, you’re saying, everyone with a geology degree is worth some $4 billion.
Theyre finding gas and oil and gold and diamonds left and right and hand over fist.
And all we all needed to do was simply major in geology and we’d all be mega-billionaires, because that seems to be what you’re implying.
Gees, I’ve gotta get me back to school, then, because this sounds like a sure shot.
jw
The more you say, the stupider you seem.
I'm not sure if I should say that. Hmm. That usually means I shouldn't say it.
But seriously the more you write the more and more I have been surprised because you seem to be of below average intelligence. Honest to goodness I know folks are enjoying the attention from a sportswriter but you should stop man. You sound way smarter about sports in your columns.
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3 minutes ago, JohnC said:
What I find interesting is that these two curmudgeons draw a disproportionate visceral response from their readers. If they are poor writers or their negative attitudes are so tiresome or unappealing there is a simple solution: Don't read their stories. There are more than enough fawning reporters who write glowing stories on the franchises that have struggled for a generation or so. So two contrarian voices consistently write critical pieces, very often warranted and sometimes not, in a capacity filled room with prostrating reporters. So what! You can't handle the against the stream view? Very often with these two acidic individuals the point is meaningful but the delivery is excessively antagonistic that it crowds out the valid point.
I often read op ed pieces from a couple of newspapers. There are columnists that I read and some that I don't. There are columnists that I strenuously disagree with but read their columns because they are well written and incisive. Getting a different perspective is very often more illuminating than just reading columns that you agree with.
I have no criticism for anyone who doesn't like these reporters. What I find befuddling is the degree that these individuals bother people when the obvious solution is to ignore them. There seems to be a relishing of venomous responses to them that I find odd.
Let me help you out.
They are constantly drawn to our attention here because of the news board. If you scan that for the latest news you then see the title of every article they write. That is one reason why they remain in the conversation here even though most preferred not to read them.
Second, there is the consideration that two of just a few columnists covering football in the only newspaper in the team's hometown, are people most do not want to read. Understand? You got 6 and 2 are non starters it is hard to always ignore that when you want to know about the team.
Third, it has been an ongoing discussion here about TBN and the subscription model. So again it is brought up, a lot, and then people reflect why they do not subscribe and it is because they want to ignore and put out of their minds the content and the writers at that paper.
If I am being honest I know that won't help you, because it is all butt obvious. You are intent on arguing a viewpoint and will do so. But really being dense and pretending the obvious isn't there as you construct your arguments won't help you very much to win your points.
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33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Are you paid for your work? Do you have official status that his been given by a recognized professional organization? If not, you are by definition an amateur, and it's actually not a debatable point. Amateurs are occasionally better than official professionals, of course.
Yeah he said so in his post earlier in this thread.
As an experienced message board amateur, I can tell you it is best practice to always read the entire thread before you get into a debate within the thread! It was predetermined that you would lose this exchange with Gunner, before you even started.
Anyway carry on! I see your point about piling on when somebody gets fired. I am staying away from doing that myself. But it is hard. Low blows. Personal insults, a snotty disposition. One of Mr Sullivan's screen names on the old BBMB was "abillsfanwhocanspell" for example. So for me it is hard to read the stuff about how nice a man he is. And Tim Graham even tweeted "I love you" to him. But i am keeping my mouth shut. But I sure don't blame the people who are not! And in this instance I don't think it is fair to blame them.
Bucky Gleason Leaving TBN After Requesting a Buyout - Jerry Sullivan and Now Tim Graham Out
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Actually that is the one thing I admire most about the good local reporters. Some of then get the game story done right away even after 4 oclock games. And I have seen good writeups sometimes on that deadline.