BadLandsMeanie

Yeah they seem to be getting the torches and pitchforks ready for me here How did you get away?

I think Peterman can do it actually. But you can't be sure until we see him not have historically horrible games. That would be a very. very big risk.

35 year old long term backup to Cam Newton who is a free agent. I think we will get a Rookie this year, keep Peterman, and if neither can go right away, Derek Anderson gets the starting job at the twilight of his career. Pure guesswork but he will be be cheap and they know him and plainly they have some kind of failsafe QB in mind. I think getting a 3rd for Tyrod signals that the market for quarterbacks is highly inflated. So I think it means other option swill be very expensive if Cleveland thinks they got a fair deal here. So I think the Bills will be wanting to avoid that market if they are intending to grab a qb in the draft.

He must still be loopy from that dirty hit. Good guy though. Tre is the bomb. But Tyrod is not an all star.

HOORAY!!! Not a bad deal well done McBean. And fast on the trigger there GG kudos for the fastest poster in the west!

The trouble with football, the maddening thing about football, and the fascinating thing about football is that EVERYTHING matters.

I will reply even though it kind of sounds like you are talking down to everybody. Obviously we all know that you need a trade partner in order to trade up. Guys may not do it. People do curious things all of the time. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will not do it because it isn't the right thing to do. It might mean a guy is worried he will be fired next year if the team doesn't rebound. A harvest of picks spanning two years doesn't help this person. Take a look at the Cleveland guy. Cleveland owns this years draft but the guy who planted that harvest got fired. Simplified because everything is always nuanced in the NFL, look at what the last two big deal trade down teams got. The Titans went from the #1 to #15 pick. They got the 2016 #15 1st round pick, two 2nd round picks (2016), a 3rd round pick (2016), a 1st round pick (2017) and a 3rd round pick (2017). (Goff taken by Rams at #1) They also gave up a 2016 4th and 6th. They got: Two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds. Close to an an entire extra draft for trading down 14 spots. The Browns went from the #2 pick to the #8 pick. They got the 2016 #8 1st round pick, 3rd and 4th round picks in 2016, 1st Round pick n 2017, 2nd Round pick in 2018. They also gave a conditional late round pick. 2 1sts, a 2nd a 3rd and a 4th round pick. Basically an entire extra draft for trading down 7 spots. I say if your scouting department is so good that you are dead certain a defensive tackle or whatever in the draft, is worth an entire draft worth of picks, then they should be good enough to get a lot of value out of an entire drafts worth of picks also. I say if people didn't get fired, if GMs and coaching staffs didn't get fired in the interval between when they make these trades and when they pay off, every analytical team would do it. Because there nearly never has been a player at any other spot besides QB who is worth an entire draft. If that makes me a simple simon who needs to be patiently explained to and tolerated, then so be it. Because I am not going to be able to understand it any other way any time soon. In closing I say to you and to Mr Gettleman, - Reggie Bush - #2 Overall Pick. Ponder that Mr Gettleman. Gettleman just got the job he should be able to survive a year or two more to reap what he sows and I stick my guns that the man will trade. I just hope it is with us.

No I don't want them to bring in babbling richard dirty playing sherman.

I think maybe we are being unfair. Maybe that coach is just lonely. As for the is your mother a prostitute question, I would want the player who broke his nose. That is a fair response. Mom a hooker? Break your nose. A fair, proportional reply. So like, don't beat the hell out of him, Just a nice clean well executed single punch targeted successfully to break his nose.

I can see I am in the minority but as of right now I would rather have had the high draft pick. Making the playoffs was fun. Seeing the folks greeting the team in the middle of the night in the cold snow and dark was inspirational. And what we fans did for Andy Dalton makes me misty still and it was one of the best things ever. So that is a lot to give up but in my cold icy dark logical side I want that high pick in a year where the best picks at QB are not EJ Manuel and Geno Smith. However, my jury is still out until I see what these guys do come draft day to deal with the circumstances we have. Maybe it will be ok.

In continuing what I intend to be a running joke amusing only to me (but also strangely true): "Blaine Gabbert" is a goofy name. His parents looked down on baby Gabbert, and knowing that he already had the last name "Gabbert" to contend with, decided he looked like a "Blaine". Now Josh Allen, he has a non-goofy name. He isn't likely to turn out the same way as somebody who a) is named Blaine Gabbert b) decided to stick with the name Blaine Gabbert. I lean towards quarterbacks who had parents that didn't think it was a good idea to name their kid something goofy. I say we shy away from "Baker" Mayfield for example.

I let ya have the last word on this because I want to avoid the thread here becoming another Tyrod one I disagree a bit though. But mostly what i am saying is I think they trade up to #2!

Hey I'm not all that curmudgeonly. If they draft a guy at 21 who turns out to be good that will be fine with me. And that QBs do not turn out to develop according to their draft ranking just shows that teams make mistakes. They are unable to accurately predict who will turn out good. So maybe everybody else will miss and the Bills will have a really good one drop to them. But everybody else who wants a QB has to miss for that to happen. Not good odds but it can happen. We will see. Also I will make a new post someday soon that questions how much a late draft pick is predetermined to be bad, among other things. So I am not against later draft picks for QBs. I just don't like them when I am not running the team because of the stupid things they do he says arrogantly. I just hope to God you are wrong because I just don't want to watch another year of treading water with Tyrod. Oh well we will find out. I don't know much at all about the QBs really from my own perspective. I don't watch college football hardly at all. Mainly what I know about this years crop is they all have had years to learn the best methods and footwork and mechanics, one one of them did. And that one is Rosen. Everybody else hasn't gotten around to finishing up doing that yet. Excuses aside here is something that needs to be done. He did it. They didn't. That doesn't mean he is the best of them but it does say something at least to me. But if somebody else is actually better, I am AOK with that.

That is an extremely good point and heartening too!

Yeah I wouldn't like to lose next years first either. But it is going to take alot to get up there.

Aww shucks man. Come on. I sure hope they don't do that. Take a lineman and a cornerback at 21 and 22 and then trot out Tyrod for another go round. That will just be horrible.

I do think it would be nuts to take Barkley at 2. But what do I know really? If I was Gettleman all I would envision is there goes his ACL and then I am hyping everybody to be patient and saying he should be just great in 2 years. Anyway yeah other teams can cut us off as you say. I just hope they dont. Woot woot!!

I haven't seen Jackson play. So I really have no opinion of my own about him. But what I read is he has accuracy issues and bad form and stuff. I won't complain about the cost of anybody they get so long as they don't turn out to bust for reasons that all the scouting reports knock them for. Yeah Church Cred :> I don't think they should get fired for a miss. I think that is why guys always chicken out. I would give them 2 shots, all other things being equal.

You have a point, but Sammy Watkins was a dumb chance. So was Bass Pro though it isn't really related to my topic here. Taking a big chance on a QB is something you have to do. Pretty much nobody lets a top guy go. Brees is the last example I can come up with and the Bills passed on him too. Spending what we did to trade up to get a wide receiver was a foolish risk. Teams don't have to do that. But unless you get super lightning strikes lucky you just have to invest a lot in a QB draft selection. I don't think anybody is going to argue that the Bills have been a lucky team. (Except we did get lucky with Pegula). So we will have to take a big risk as I see it. My way, we take a swing for a home run. If we fail, we start losing very badly because we just blew 3 first round picks on a dud. Which leads to a high draft pick for another swing. Your way we probably stay mediocre playing it safe and we never get a chance for the top notch prospect. Well I know for sure that I expected them to. Now look at the mess they made!

There will be other Easters and other eggs. I think if these guys traded down last year for any other reason besides accumulating picks to get a QB, then they did a very foolish thing. Come to think of it Tyrod Taylor is the Perfect Personification of who the Buffalo Bills have been. He is careful, he doesn't take chances, and he will never be a champion. I like yours better too but I don't think the value is there for Gettleman. But if it is I would do this for sure.

I thought about that a little. I don't know what Gettleman said beyond that he is open to offers and that he won't spend a #2 on anybody he doesn't think of as a future hall of famer. And I was thinking that as a new GM he will want some kind of high pick to appease the New York crowds. But how would you make that happen? The Bills would have to trade up to a spot that they do not want. So say they trade up to #11. Then they would have to trust that Gettleman would take their #11 plus whatever else they had to throw in, like he said he would do, and that he would not go back on it no matter what. Otherwise the Bills are sitting there at #11 with no QB they want and they have to pretend they did it for somebody else. It is very risky and I can count on one hand the number of living people I know who I would trust in a deal like that. And all of them are either family or they love me or both. Is McBeane that close to Gettleman? Otherwise how would you swing it without risking a disaster?

Hello everyone, In the moment no one is waiting for, here comes my daring draft prediction! The draft will start off with a bang when the Buffalo Bills will trade up to pick 2nd overall. They will take a quarterback. Part B of my prediction is that it will be Josh Rosen. I am not as sure of this though. Of course nobody can be sure of anything at this time of year, least of all me. But here is my reasoning. First, I wanted to get settled on what I think so I can stop reading all the stories that are all just as much BS as mine here is. I can’t stop reading them but all they do is make me tense because we have so much riding on this draft. So now I hope to stop and not read them all for the next 7 weeks! So I figured out what I think and now I’m done. I started to think about the people involved and not the teams. I wondered who would (Mc)Beane trade with? You don’t want somebody to lie to you and double cross you for a trade like this in the first round because of how important it is and because you don’t have any time to fix it if someone sticks it to you. So I figured he would be looking for Christians like he and McD are because of course they can lie, but then they lose Church cred if they do. So they are a lot less likely to outright lie to other Christians I think. As far as I know I don’t see any Christian GMs in the top ten teams picking. But I do see Gettleman with the Giants pick at #2. Beane knows him and (Mc)Beane has shown a pronounced tendency to deal with people he knows. Some mocks have Gettleman taking Saquon Barkley at #2 which I think would be insane. That slot is worth about 3 first round picks and the most recent running back I can think of who would be worth that is Walter Peyton. Some have Gettleman taking a QB. I think he isn’t desperate for a league ready QB because he has Manning still. So if you are going to take a developmental guy who needs a couple years, why spend the #2 overall on him? I took a look at this handy chart here which is really cool because you can plug in each team and see what they have. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=buf Of course charts are only approximate. But from this it shows if the Bills trade this year’s 2 firsts and next year’s, that is fair pricing for the #2 overall pick. The Bills would wind up with a premiere QB prospect for the first time in 35 years (drafted Kelly in 1983 and yes I know Jimbo didn’t show up til later) They would have a developmental prospect in Peterman and they could do whatever they will do about a veteran QB. And they would still have two second rounders to begin to address other needs. The Giants would come out with more high picks to rebuild their roster which they need very badly. They might get one last Hurrah for Eli. And they could pick a developmental high ceiling guy for a QB. That’s why I think the Bills will deal with Gettleman and why I think Gettleman will take the deal.

First I will say that in the end, I don't know what I am doing. With Foles I don't know if he is inconsistent resulting in stellar play offset by lackluster play, or if he has been inconsistent due to good coaching versus bad coaching. I would have to do all of that work myself to know for sure. Hopefully the Bills finally have a staff now that has done all of that work. But working blind and knowing that Foles was clutch this year I would trade a 2nd for him. To me a 2nd can be Cyrus Kouiandjio or even a Zay Jones is about the best we have done with 2nd rounders. We got Ragland, we got Miller. For us a 2nd rounder hasn't been much. But I agree in that I wouldn't go for a first. I agree with you. I wouldn't trade a first and second or all that. Especially since the Eagles seem to have worked out how to make a QB work for them and then trade them for a big profit to less adept teams. I do wonder why the Bills didn't come up with a Foles or Keenum when they could have got them for free. Maybe they tried and those guys weren't interested. Or maybe they just passed. Or maybe they saw Tyrod and thought they could fix him like we all did but they fell for it because they hadn't been down that road before like we all had.

Well, am I arguing with you aren't I? You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Anyway I think my intent was clear. It was to say, that maybe Foles has got better. Maybe his play recently is s sign that he has matured and grown with age. My intent was to point out that he is a young man still. And I was contrasting that with the never-ending patience that Tyrod Taylor got.

Why are so many people content to still wait for Tyrod Taylor to "develop" but they want to brand the Super Bowl MVP as a proven dud? Foles was drafted the year after Tyrod you know. He has a year less experience than Tyrod. Tyrod had had Terrible games, and plenty of them. And not One game as good as Foles good games. So where is the sense in insisting that you know Foles will never be any good and that his great games are a fluke?