BadLandsMeanie

For a moment there I thought you wrote stick with the penguin.

No I think you are right. Yours is dumber.

Ok, fair enough. I don't know what I would do. I would actually have to have done all the work myself to decide what to do. I believe the leaders of the past have done a bad job and that many of us fans could have out performed them. I am just not ready to say that is true of the new guys yet. So I won't be too upset of we don't come up with one of those three. The only thing I won't be able to stand is if they come up with a guy who can't throw and can't think fast enough. And then they spend 4 years telling me that he can. I can't do that any more. But besides that i can hold up pretty good I think.

Now you brought up a topic that makes me angry even now. That dildo throw was perfectly targeted and perfectly timed. And instead of bringing that guy in for a look the idiots banned him from the stadium.

I am finding out that the more I learn and know about this upcoming draft, the more I know, that I don't know. I am in the I have no idea camp. I'm willing to wait and see. Nobody wants a franchise QB more than me. Not even you. But the guy may not be there. I know you can never be sure of anybody. But I mean a guy worth trading everything to gamble on, might not be there. What then? You want them to do it anyway? Remember we have about 2 years worth of picks here. We can't do it again next year if we trade it all in now. I have read a lot and everyone has their favorite QB prospect in this draft. But I haven't seen anybody say there is a QB worth doing whatever you have to do, to get. The only one close is Darnold and he has the USC "mirage" QB onus on him. So do you want them to just trade it all and let the chips fall where they may, no matter what?

I can see it playing out that way. The first round ticking down, nobody good enough was there at 12, Beane starts to squirm. The Eagles got no picks and there is a guy they want there at 22, they start to squirm because they have only the 32nd pick in the first, and NOTHING in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. So Beane trades then our 22 and a 2nd round pick for their 32 and Foles. And both sides can claim that they did well. But, why wouldn't the Bills just wait til next year and pay Foles? Especially once the Superbowl win is a year in the rear view mirror Foles price might come down a little. Im not so sure AJ is inadequate and I am pretty sure he will be a crowd pleaser at least that the start because he throws eh football. And if he dies behind our line, then he dies. But if we traded for Foles and he gets killed out there people will be mad.

Hi everyone I just stole this from another fansite because it helped me understand this draft a bit better than I did. Look at the NFL.com draft grades for this year versus other years. And I know the rankings can be inaccurate but they are some sort of gage. My purpose in posting this is to share what I learned. I learned that they have been calling this a great draft for QBs because there are a bunch of 6's. So lots to pick from is great. But at least from this chart the only one you would expect a team to trade their whole draft for is Sam Darnold. And Goff and Wentz you can see, again at least from this chart, seemed to be more of a sure thing going in than most of the guys in the draft class. So when they say next years looks like a lousy year for QB's . I wonder if they mean it is a lousy year like when it had EJ and Geno Smith, neither one of whom is fit to be a starter. Or is it a lousy year because there are not 5 grade 6's? What say you? Draft Year Name GRADE Status POS HT WT School Where drafted Team 2018 DARNOLD, SAM* 7.0 -- QB 6'3" 220 USC 2015 Winston, Jameis 6.7 Starter QB 6'4" 231 Florida St. Pick 1, Round 1 (1) Buccaneers 2016 Goff, Jared 6.5 Starter QB 6'4" 215 California Pick 1, Round 1 (1) Rams 2016 Wentz, Carson 6.5 Starter QB 6'5" 237 North Dakota St. Pick 2, Round 1 (2) Eagles 2017 Trubisky, Mitchell 6.3 Starter QB 6'2" 222 North Carolina Pick 2, Round 1 (2) Bears 2015 Mariota, Marcus 6.2 Starter QB 6'4" 222 Oregon Pick 2, Round 1 (2) Titans 2014 Bortles, Blake 6.2 Starter QB 6'5" 232 Central Florida Pick 3, Round 1 (3) Jaguars 2014 Manziel, Johnny 6.1 OUT QB 6'0" 207 Texas A&M Pick 22, Round 1 (22) Browns 2016 Lynch, Paxton 6.1 Backup QB 6'7" 244 Memphis Pick 26, Round 1 (26) Broncos 2014 Bridgewater, Teddy 6.1 Starter QB 6'2" 214 Louisville Pick 32, Round 1 (32) Vikings 2014 Carr, Derek 6.1 Starter QB 6'2" 214 Fresno St. Pick 4, Round 2 (36) Raiders 2018 ROSEN, JOSH* 6.1 -- QB 6'4" 226 UCLA 2018 MAYFIELD, BAKER 6.0 -- QB 6'1" 215 Oklahoma 2018 ALLEN, JOSH 6.0 -- QB 6'5" 233 Wyoming 2017 Watson, Deshaun 5.9 Starter QB 6'2" 221 Clemson Pick 12, Round 1 (12) Texans 2018 JACKSON, LAMAR* 5.9 -- QB 6'3" 200 Louisville 2017 Mahomes, Patrick 5.8 Starter QB 6'2" 225 Texas Tech Pick 10, Round 1 (10) Chiefs 2016 Cook, Connor 5.8 Backup QB 6'4" 217 Michigan St. Pick 2, Round 4 (100) Raiders 2014 Garoppolo, Jimmy 5.8 Starter QB 6'2" 226 Eastern Illinois Pick 30, Round 2 (62) Patriots 2017 Kizer, DeShone 5.7 Backup QB 6'4" 233 Notre Dame Pick 20, Round 2 (52) Browns 2014 McCarron, AJ 5.7 Backup QB 6'3" 220 Alabama Pick 24, Round 5 (164) Bengals 2017 Peterman, Nathan 5.7 Backup QB 6'2" 226 Pittsburgh Pick 28, Round 5 (171) Bills 2018 RUDOLPH, MASON 5.6 -- QB 6'5" 235 Oklahoma St. 2016 Hackenberg, Christian 5.5 Backup QB 6'4" 223 Penn St. Pick 20, Round 2 (51) Jets 2016 Brissett, Jacoby 5.5 Backup QB 6'4" 231 N.C. State Pick 29, Round 3 (91) Patriots 2016 Prescott, Dak 5.4 Starter QB 6'2" 226 Mississippi St. Pick 37, Round 4 (135) Cowboys 2015 Petty, Bryce 5.4 Backup QB 6'3" 230 Baylor Pick 4, Round 4 (103) Jets 2015 Grayson, Garrett 5.3 Backup QB 6'2" 213 Colorado St. Pick 11, Round 3 (75) Saints 2015 Hundley, Brett 5.3 Backup QB 6'3" 226 UCLA Pick 11, Round 5 (147) Packer

If I'm Gettleman, I have a QB who has won a Super Bowl twice and who doesn't seem washed up. So yeah I can have the thrill of taking QB at #2. Or, I can reflect that I am 67 years old and I could be dead soon and maybe it would be fun to win a super bowl. Why not win the super bowl, and get the high pick again when Eli retires, and I retire, the next guy can get his QB.

Jets’ flight plan. The Jets absolutely wanted Cousins, and probably worse than anyone else did. But if you go back a few months, you’ll see that he wasn’t initially Plan A for the team. A few months back, the idea for 2017 was to strip down the team, rely on young guys, and get a Top 2 or 3 pick to spend on a quarterback. And this wasn’t just on paper, either. At the urging of ownership, the Jets’ personnel department sunk an absolute ton of resources into kicking the tires on all the college quarterbacks last fall. New York had a scout at just about every UCLA, USC, Wyoming, Oklahoma and Louisville game in 2017, and did all the background you can imagine on Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. So what changed? Two things. First, the Jets’ young core, particularly on defense, got feisty early, and a three-game winning at the September/October turn doomed the idea that the team would be able to keep up with the likes of Cleveland and the Giants in the race for the first pick. Second, quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates impressed enough to earn a promotion to coordinator just as a signal-caller proven in his system, Cousins, was set to come free. Remember, Bates is a disciple of Mike Shanahan, just as Cousins and his two favorite play-callers (Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay) are. So add the early-season surge to Bates’ rise, and you had a team with the sixth pick that could try and get a proven quarterback, which would free it up to use its draft capital to build on last year’s transformational offseason. That’s how they drew it up, anyway. Now? Well, they move forward with the information they need—and I expect we’ll see Top 30 visits and on-campus workouts with the top quarterbacks here, too—on the quarterbacks, and less flexibility with their picks, particularly if they need to trade up. It’s not ideal, and it didn’t feel good for anyone there this week. But with Josh McCown and Teddy Bridgewater in the fold as “for now” answers, they can move forward with what they’d set out to do in the first place, and that’s take one high in April. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/15/kirk-cousins-contract-quarterbacks-guaranteed-money-mmqb

I didn't think of that but it makes sense.

Woot woot! Who is this Joe Banner who seems so wise? He is quoted by Andre Reed?

Well I don't want to keep repeating myself but I will say, maybe for the Jets, it really doesn't matter to them who they get. Maybe they have no strong preference. But in the case that they do have a preference, then they just opened a narrow gap for the Bills to trade over them and get the player they want most.

No I don't. But do either of know how much Arizona has to offer? I think the Bills have more.

I politely disagree with you as well Sir. I think everything you say is true. But they could have done that the day of. All of it would be as true the day of as it is now. But now, the 2nd pick is still there. If the Jets did this after that pick was gone, they wouldn't have given the Bills a way to get ahead of them. People seem to be insisting that the Giants won't trade, but so far as I know, nobody has any way to know if that is true or not, any more than I do. So peopel can't present as fact that we have no recourse because we do.

We never stockpiled talent. Not recently at least. We always spent as we went. Or borrowed from the piggy bank. Like kids. Trade next years first for JP Losman. Then not have a first rounder when Rodgers fell into the 20s. Oh we need a QB, just go to the QB shelf and get EJ with a first round pick because he was the best one available at that moment. We need a #1 receiver this year, trade 2 first round picks to move up a few slots to get one. Its always right now with this team. We want it right now. Tomorrow never comes. That is why we have no Qb because they behaved like children. Not because we didn't get one right now.

OK. But let me review a couple facts that I have in mind. Of all the QB rankings there are, ESPN, Mayock, Sports Illustrated, even Blesto the NFL scouting service, Not one of those people works for an NFL team. The Bills very likely have the QBs rated differently. We can't know what that is right now. 2nd, teams make mistakes every year. And QBs slip down who should not have, pretty often. Not getting a QB at #2 or #3 might look terrible to us, but it might not look like that to McBeane. And as another poster said, if the Bills wanted that 3rd spot, we would have it. We have more ammo. So Beane didn't get bushwacked here. At least he think he knows what he is doing.

I think they are gambling. But maybe they just don't care which oine they get. It would be kind of weird. But it was kind of weird how they signed Bridgewater and McCown and they drafted whoosit in the 2nd last year who they still have, so I never really know what they are thinking.

I am not saying the outcome is pre-determined. But I am saying that strategically they just gave a bit of an advantage to the Bills.

Hey man Im fine with differing opinions but can we not tell the other person what they are really thinking? I think what I think. Yes I would have had this same opinion. I said a few times in other threads that I think the Bills need to wait until the draft is in process before they make their move. The only time you don't have to do that (as I see it) is when you are trading for the #1 because then nobody can a thing about it. In a way this is like a game of rock paper scissors and the Jets just picked one too early.

I didn't think of that. Thanks.

Exactly they will have to say they got who they wanted no matter what.

I agree with your about Beane and I think this is what he meant. He couldn't know what he would do because he can't control who will be available when. But I don't know if he will trade up or not because I don't know how they value this class of quarterbacks.

How come you think that? Gettleman said he would entertain offers. I think they were always going to bend us over for #2 overall. I don't think that has changed. But if we are sure this is the guy we want sitting there, paying a lot isn't wrong.

Just a word if you will allow me. The Jets just traded into the 3rd spot of the first round. I feel grim about that just like everyone because it makes it look like we might get shut out from having our choice. I think the only person truly happy about it is AJ McCarron, who is probably still dancing as I speak. But it was a mistake. This was never going to be easy and it is more like a gunfight than anything else. Somebody is going to live and somebody is going to die. Beane will keep his cool, because Beane will know that the Jets just locked themselves in to taking whoever is left at 3. So the Jets have played their cards too soon which leaves Beane with a small advantage. Beane still has the option to trade up if the guy he wants is there at 2. The Jets just made it so we can get ahead of them. We don't have to worry about them any more if you look at it that way. You get 15 minutes I think it is in round one to wheel and deal. If the Bills see somebody they want bad enough they can probably trade ahead of the Jets and get who they want. While the Jets are pretty much locked in. The whole thing is dicey but we just got a small advantage here. I don't believe they will, but if the Browns take Barkey #1, this Jets move could result in the Buffalo Bills getting first pick of all the quarterbacks. They can get whoever they want.

Don't forget, We are off to see the Wizard! The Wonderful Wizard of Beane!