BadLandsMeanie

Ok. I hope we can do something in the draft also. But I am not as worried as I would be if we didn't have McCarron. Part of that is analytical and part of that is some stuff happened that made me superstitious that he will be good. Which I don't believe because it is superstition, but I do anyway. google McCarron Tattoo and get a load of it. Worth a minute

I can give a number of possible reasons why he didn't get a higher price. One is as you mentioned, he hasn't proven himself in games. Everybody else you can at least expect that they will be halfway decent. He's more of a gamble. McCarron said he would play a season for the league minimum if he could start. So he likely turned down offers from places with less of an open roster spot than we have. He came from the Bengals. So, not Bill Belichick's chosen backup, but a much less glamorous place and role. Last but I wonder if it isn't first, I think he would seem crazy to lots of coaches and GM's. Maybe to anyone but McBean. He has a Giant tattoo of Jesus on his chest. Then big crosses, A rosary (catholic prayer bead thing). In the world today that can seem crazy to people especially when looking for a "face of your franchise" when the biggest face is that tattoo of Jesus that he has. You are splitting hairs. I think it was clear that I meant free agent guys. But also yeah a team that is locked in to get a top draft pick QB this year wasn't going to sign him for anything more than a year contract. Why do that when you can get a Tyrod or McCown? But as I say, I meant free agent prospects.

McCarron was the best of ALL the available QB prospects and we got him for very little. You want to go with "proven", well then of course he will not be on your good list. But why bother to make a whole post built around the fact that the man hasn't played many games? We all know that already. And then you go on to assume we will get borked in the draft, which of course, you can't possibly know.

I agree except that thought his confession was pretty convincing.

So does he.

Thank you Batman Thanks

Well in light of recent scandals about how so many prominent men have been behaving, I don't think it is so bad because Mayfield was only grabbing his own crotch.

I wish the draftniks would break down the QB by round results more thoughtfully than they do. For one example is there any difference between results when a team takes a QB at 1 or 2 or 3 because they paid a kings ransom to get there, and those who just were at the that slot based on their record.

In my analogy the player isn't the franchise. The player is the general manager. Anyway it isn't hyperbole. It is sensible. It may not be the way you or anyone else wants to go. But it is a valid approach. Exactly.

Well emotionally I would trade it all for a fairly decent chance at a QB. But rationally I know that the Bills problem isn't that they refused to take a big gamble on a QB. It is that they habitually refused to take any reasonable gamble on a QB except for every ten years or so.

You are in Las Vegas at the blackjack tables and based on the cards you have and the ones you have seen out you believe that you have a 60% chance to win and a 40% chance to lose this hand. Do you bet your entire bankroll, and hitchhike home if you lose? Or do you bet part of your fund and then steadily play the odds using your skill to assure that you have the advantage over time? Both approaches have merit but the more steady pace evens out the randomness of betting it all on a one shot advantage. I think the player who bets it all on big shots, will eventually wind up hitchhiking home. And the player who consistently and steadily plays his advantage while allowing for losses, will make his living at playing blackjack. I think McBean is the steady player and so I agree with the OP.

Drew Henson wasn't such a great quarterback but he warmed the hearts of millions with his beloved Muppets.

This is one of those practices that most everybody will think has to be a good idea because the NFL is big business and they know what they are doing. So somebody like me telling folks that it is a mistake to put any weight on it at all, is useless. The Wonderlic is a rough measure that is mostly right, most of the time. The NFL uses formulas to weigh factors like Wonderlic score and come up with a ranking outcome for draft prospects. There is a saying about formulas among those who use them. "Garbage in, Garbage out". The Wonderlic is garbage in because it is only mostly right, most of the time. I know it doesn't make sense to believe me, mr random message board poster over every NFL team. So all I will say is I hope Beane doesn't pay attention to it.

List your accomplishments.

I think it is cool how doctors can reassemble people, who mostly should be dead, and have them turn out AOK.

Josh Allen ate Sam Darnold for breakfast.

Oh no you don't Sky Diver. No turning this into a Peterman thread. Read topic before posting please.

Look. It's simple. Ronald Darby shrimpy 2nd year player 23 years old, wants to run his mouth about how he feels things should be run. He wants to disagree and express his opinion about the changes being made. You do that and you are gone. That is the culture change. You get with the program or the program gets rid of you. That is what the new guys think needs to be done so that the Bills don't always lose. So it is bye Ronald good luck. Bye Sammy. Bye Marcel. And so on.

Well, if that is true, he is one of the smartest dumb people who ever walked the earth. Terry Bradshaw won 4 Super Bowls and is in the Hall of Fame. He has acted in movies and television. He has a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. He has written books, sold records, and has a career in advertising spanning 4 decades. He has also enjoyed a prosperous broadcasting career which is still going strong. I only wish I was as stupid as Terry Bradshaw is.

This is a genuine question and maybe nobody here knows. But here goes. The hardest thing for teams nowadays is to basically just guess in most cases, if a guy can make NFL reads and adjustments. Once you get a certain amount of physical skill, it is the most important thing that will make or break a quarterback. You have to see a lot that is happening and do it very. very quickly. It is a visual spatial task that is different from being smart. Excerpt from Beane. "But the one thing that people I think miss a little bit when they're watching, you know, the college game schematically has just been so dummied down that these guys know before the ball's snapped right where they're going. There's no progressions. There's no audibiling. That's the challenge that the college guys have, and it's brutal. And these quarterbacks that are getting drafted high that have never taken a snap from center, have never called an audible. That's tough. " So I see all the combine stuff and interviews they do. And they Pro days and looking into character and background. None of which tell you anything at all about if they can do that visual-spatial-magical task of reading the coverage and picking out the open guy in a second and a half. So I wonder do they do anything at all to try and figure that out with some kind of tests? Does anybody knnow? My guess is that they don't because I have never seen a word about it. But I wonder does anyone here know if they do or not?

He musta been in business selling lubricants.

I'm going to tell you why you might not have. Back a few years ago I was hanging around after a Bills camp. Buddy Nix and a few coaches came back to the field with two running backs. They were backup level talent and the Bills needed somebody. So they were running them through drills and one of them went down grimacing in pain and clutching his knee. That was it for him. I am not sure if they even gave him a bus ticket home. Now let's say you are Barkely. You are at the finish line. If nothing goes wrong, you will get say, a 28 million dollar rookie deal. Would you go out there and run around for coaches who didn't even bother to show up? The way I see it Barkley was there. The teams weren't. I wouldn't have done it either because a knee goes out and there goes my 28 million bucks. Yeah. I think he will go 6th at the lowest. But I will bet ya that he does not make it to 8. In fact if he makes it to 8 or 9 I will lose happily because then I am about positive I will get to watch him at Bills camp this summer. I'll send you little videos so you can watch him work out there, to make up for what you missed

Well, in fairness to the OP, it is easier to be mislead by that because he can read. And then he can understand what he reads. So seeing that is a different experience than it would be for a doofus.

Well, I think there are some big holes in the thread here also .

Are you suggesting that McBeane package him up with the trade we offered to the Giants? Never mind I know you are't suggesting that. I think this stuff always seems like it will never go away when it happens. But I think if he regains his senses and it becomes one very bad but single episode, people will kind of forget about it eventually. Something else will come along.