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The line is a Great Weakness.
It was a soft spot last year as it was. Now we will have the Bengals center, and then some other guys who could not displace some of the lesser starters we had last year, as our starters. And we have no one at all to back them up as depth.
That is the current circumstance I hope they do something
Hapless. I have the idea that McCoy could not run right last year very well. I wonder do you know where to find a chart that would show how he did for left versus right?
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On 4/22/2018 at 2:46 PM, Shaw66 said:
Like lots of people here, I've been thinking about what might happen between now and Thursday night.
We've seen some rumors about the Bills talking to the Giants and some rumors about there being no deal with the Giants.
Well, as I think about, it seems clear that there'll be no deal with Giants because the Bills can't offer the Giants anything that works for the Giants.
Either the Giants want one of the good QBs or they don't. If they want one of the good QBs, then the only trade they'll do is to move to 1, 3 or possibly 4. If they trade down below 4, the QB they want could be gone. If they want one of the stud non-QBs, they can't move to 5 because the Browns may take the best stud non-QB at 4.
So it seems likely the only way the Bills could get to #2 would be if the Bills first traded to 4 and then traded up again. But getting to 4 will be expensive - probably at least the 12 and 22, and that would be only if the Browns didn't like any of the studs at the top of the draft. Then from 4 to 2 probably would cost next year's first.
There's a rumor that the Bills actually offered those three firsts to the Giants and the Giants said no. The Giants said no, probably, because they know they don't want to pick below 3 or 4 at the worst, and getting those three firsts doesn't help them UNLESS THEY have a deal with the Browns for 4.
So that means to me the only route there is for the Bills to get to #2 is essentially a three-team trade, where the Bills go to #2, the Giants go to #4 and get the Bills' first round pick next year, and the Browns get the Bills' #12 and #22. (Maybe a few late-round picks thrown in here and there to grease the skids.) That seems to me to be a very, very hard deal to make. Giants more or less won't do it if they want a QB, because it lets Buffalo and the Jets get in the QB line ahead of the Giants. Only can work if the Giants want one of the top-of-the-draft non-QB studs AND the Browns don't want any of them.
And it's much easier for the Giants to tell the Jets they're looking to trade out of #2, and to protect themselves the Jets would need to trade up. So the Giants can easily pick up another nice pick by moving back to #3, at no cost to them so long as they don't want a QB.
So the Bills are picking, at the very best, 4th. Even that seems like a stretch. The QB they want would have to be there (after the Browns, Giants and Jets have taken two or three of the QBs), and the Bills would have to be willing to give 12 and 22 to get there. Possible, not likely.
Can the Bills get to 5? Only if the Broncos don't want the QB the Bills want.
So it looks to me like Bills will be picking after at least 3 QBs have come off the board.
If the Bills actually did offer the Giants three first round picks (12, 22 and 2019) for #2, I wonder this: Two months ago, that was 21, 22 and Cordy Glenn. Did the Bills offer THAT to the Colts for #3? THAT's the deal the Bills should have made, if it was possible. The problem always was that the Jets had a much more attractive first-round pick to offer.
You seem firm in your beliefs.
But you don't go further. What will they then do if the 3 prime Qbs are gone?
How will they sell that to the fan base?
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6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
They have lost their senses.
Somehow this feels, insulting to me. A Parrot? What is this the Bozo show?
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5 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
Thurm, those are all good points, and you may be right.
I don't agree because it's all based on the premise that the Giants think they can win in the short term. They may very well be thinking that, but as I've said, I think that's the wrong choice. When you were pretty bad, actually very bad, on both sides of the ball AND your QB has given two years of clear signs that his best years are behind him AND you have a new coach, it seems to me to be a sucker bet to think you're going to win big in the next year or two by adding a bunch of rookies.
The Bills fielded a better team last season with a better QB, and we've pretty much all been convinced that the Bills need a new QB before they can make a serious Super Bowl run. I just can't see how I would reach a different conclusion if I'm the Giants GM. By the time I get all my rookies in the lineup and playing well, it's likely to be 2020, and I just can't believe anyone thinks Eli will be a Giant in 2020.
We'll see.
Poppycock!!
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45 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:
Does this story mean last year was the time to pick our apple and this year we don’t have a ladder high enough?
I have NO idea why. But that struck me as very funny!
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29 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I understand that approach, but personally I think it would be foolish. The Giants were not a team that was one player away from the Lombardi in 2017. They were a mess. They 21st in yardage offense, 31st in points offense, 31st in yardage defense and 27th in points defense. They have a temperamental and unpredictable wideout, no running back and an old QB whose play has declined seriously for two years.
If trading back for more picks and making a run at the Super Bowl in 2018 is the right strategy for the Giants, then McBeane should be fired right now. If that's the right strategy for the Giants, then why isn't it the right strategy. Tyrod Taylor was a much better QB than Manning over the past two years, the Bills defense was way better than the Giants, and the Bills have a much better running back.
It makes no sense for a team that was totally ineffective on both sides of the ball in 2017 to believe they should ignore the future of the most important position on the team because they think a bunch of rookies are going to win the Super Bowl for them.
Well, I think you are distorting things maybe. Yes Eli is older and his passing production has dropped severely. He only threw for about 24% more yards and touchdowns than Tyrod last year. So yeah pretty bad. I don't see how the translates into Tyrod being way better, except as always, unless one ignores that Tyrod's passing problem. Setting that aside he is pretty good. And Eli was without Beckham who was injured for a good part of last year. But like I say, I don't know about Eli now.
I do know that the Giants main needs are by consensus, Offensive line and running back and outside linebacker.
And as I mentioned, this draft is deep at those potions.
Also Offensive line and running back can and do come in and help right away. So yes, rookies can help right away at some positions.
So to me at least it is't so cut and dry what the best course of action is.
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5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
1. Eli hasn't done much of anything for two years and clearly seems to be declining.
2. Eli is 37 and his brother and Brady are the only QBs in the history of the game to have had any real success in the league after 37.
3. Eli has only two years left on his contract.
4. No way to know when they will have another opportunity this good to get a top QB.
Sure seems like the Giants are set up perfectly to draft the next QB now, have him sit for a year and start in 2019.
1) Eli is 37 and they had him behind a lousy line. He had no viable running game.
2) 2 quarterbacks have won superbowls at his age
3) Soon they will lose Eli to age or contract issues or both.
4) No way to know when you will have an opportunity to get another Superbowl caliber QB.
The Giants were expected to be playoff team last year. This years draft is set up perfectly for them to repair the major problems and make a run for it.
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2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I think something like this already has happened. That's what GMs are doing all day. So Beane's already talked to the Giants and found out how far down the Giants are willing to move (more about that in a second). So the Giants said "we might be interested if you could get us to 7." So then Beane calls whoever has 7 and talks to them about whether they'd be willing to move back to 12 on draft night, and what it might cost. So they maybe put together a tentative deal that they agree they'd be willing to finalize once the Giants are on the clock.
Then everyone waits for Thursday night. If the guy the Giants want gets taken by the Browns, they talk to the Bills and say "if you can get 7, we'll do the deal." Bills call #7 and say "we'll do it if you'll do it." Done deal, Bills call the Giants (they're probably actually waiting on the other line), finalize, notify the league and take their QB.
However, I think that only happens if (1) the Giants don't want a QB and (2) the guy they do want (Barkely, probably) gets taken by the Browns at 1. If the Giants want a QB, they're going to take their first choice at 2 or, if the Browns take him, they'll take their second choice.
That was the point of my original post. If there are one or two guys the Giants want at the top of the draft, the Giants aren't trading out of 2 unless they're trading to 3 or possibly 4. So although, yes, it's possible that something could happen like you describe, I think it's very unlikely, because the Giants just aren't going to want to move that far back.
Good pinpointing of the difference between us on this one. I think they are salivating to to move back!
If I am Gettleman I got a 2 time Superbowl winning QB though older, perhaps the best wide receiver in football (for one more year) I get me a solid line to protect the passer and run block, I get myself a top notch running back, and away we go! To me picking Barkley at #2 is Sammy Watkins all over again, but a little worse.
I will be extra interested in what Gettlman does to see which way he goes with it Thursday.
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22 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I agree with this too. I just can't see how the Giants can afford to pass on a QB. So three QBs go in the top 4, and as you say maybe 4 in 5.
So if the Bills' favorite QB is available at 4, MAYBE they can put together a deal with the Browns to get ahead of the Broncos.
All seems pretty remote to me.
The Giants pass on a QB high if Eli has gas in the tank. To me that is obvious. This draft is perfect for the Giants because their major needs are O-line and running back. This draft is deep in both. They could be a Superbowl contender in one swoop if Eli still has it.
Picking a QB is at best a 50-50 chance at a good QB and you usually have to wait years to find out. Take the linemen and an RB and go for it.
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A thought provoking post. I of course, have no idea what anybody will do, besides being very sure the Jets will take a QB.
Here is my take on what the Giants might do if they do not want a QB at #2, and how the Bills could get that #2 pick.
Let's say the Bills will only trade the farm for one player so they can't make a deal until the Browns pick.
A giant swap of picks when the Giants go on the clock could lead to disaster for the Giants if they want to pick higher than #12 and plus then they have a whole different draft board profile working with a hugely different set of picks (The Bills old ones). It would be a lot to contend with during the draft with the clock ticking I think. Maybe not a smart thing to do.
Except if the Bills have done that work for them already, without anyone knowing. The Bills could and should already know pretty much what it will take to get to picks 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 based on the picks they have. So the Bills could offer in effect, the 7th overall pick, plus added picks, to the Giants for their #2. They wouldn't give the Giants that 7 pick directly but they would give them the picks to get it, plus whatever else they had to add to make it worth the jump from 7 to 2.
No one in the Giants division picks before #13 so there would be no complication there.
In sum, the Gaints probably can't react quickly enough to re-plan their draft carefully if they trade on draft day. But the Bills could already have the deals worked out in principle for the Giants so they just hand them the keys so to speak. And they could do this because Gentleman and Beane are friends who trust each other.
What do people think?
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19 minutes ago, Carter said:
You lost me at scene. What The !@#$ is this?
4 minutes ago, Carter said:Lol. I wasn’t asking what a scene is. What the !@#$ is wrong with you?
Oh. You had written that you had become "lost" at scene. Which is the very first word. So I was explaining what it meant.
How many words did you get through before you became lost?
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8 minutes ago, Carter said:
You lost me at scene. What The !@#$ is this?
Scene means the setting, the environment in which the story takes place.
It is a word that is used when talking about plays and theater to describe where something is taking place. Also in this instance, it tips the reader that what follows is to be seen as a play or story.
So, what he meant by scene was, the scene (where the story begins) is in an apple orchard, which is a group of apple trees planted and tended for the purpose of growing apples. Apples are a fruit that people like to eat.
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44 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:
I thought Brandy was a female given name.
PS: Get rid of the "SCENE" and "END SCENE".
This is not a scene, it's a story, with multiple episodes separated by time and space.STFU
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This was Peter King on Twitter
"Promotion for MMQB Monday: — 1. My mock draft is going to be worth less than nothing. 2. Please don’t read it. 3. I’m not kidding. — Have a nice weekend!"
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Bravo!
That was very entertaining thank you.
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Should we have a moment if silence for "It Starts With One"? That slogan didn't make it through even one season. It died too young.
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Its weird that you get even to the NFL level, and not everyone will follow along unless you have a guy with the IT factor.
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I never followed the draft candidates closely like I am doing this year. So I have never seen the promotional work that I am seeing now.
Baker Mayfield has a series of sorts called "Behind Baker" with 8 minutes episodes on Facebook that follow his path to the draft.
Josh Allen has a Youtube video about who he is and how he came to be where he is, and his philosophies.
Josh Rosen has a high profile magazine article. All 3 of the above do some Twitter and Instagram stuff. Most or all of it is professionally packaged.
Lamar Jackson is busy on Twitter, Instagram, and has a short Youtube video. All of his stuff has more of a home made, one man job type of quality to it.
To varying degrees all of the above have a bit of a preachy quality to them in terms of how they came to be destined for greatness, so to speak.
I haven't seen much from Darnold. It could be out there but I haven't seen him doing too much.
Other positions may be doing it as well? All I have seen is Barkely seems pretty active. Not to pick on him but since we have no chance of getting him I can show the promotional preachy side of this stuff. Here is the header from his Instagram:
Saquon Barkley
"One Man Could Change the World"
You can't argue with his point. One man can change the world I suppose. But I am not sure at this point that my money is on anybody in this crop of NFL football rookies to change the world. I see them more as young men who can play football.
I know it is just advertising really but as I say, I haven't seen this before. Is it usual for draft prospects to have this kind of promotional advertising?
Do you think it will help them with teams? I don't think it will help them with teams. So I wonder why the focus on it just now. But I wonder do you think it helps them?
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2 hours ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:
To make all new arrangements for a new location would take longer than a couple months, they would have had to start the process last year, and hence we would have heard about it by now. Let not your heart be troubled my friend!
Thanks MH! :>
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I'm not sure which will turn out better.
So as a fan I take Rosen, because I think his high profile will be a nice change for Buffalo. The Bills will be higher profile and maybe have some fun or interesting media exposure.
Plus I can do all kinds of stuff with calling him "Moses Rosen" who will lead us to the promised land and so on.
As a coach I take Darnold because his mouth is closed. That would be way easier on my nerves and I could just coach and do my job and not have to worry about dealing with things he said. Of the top 5, so far as I know, the ONLY one who has his mouth closed is Sam Darnold. No twitter, no instagram, no youtube promo videos, no expressing his philosophy.
The guy knows you keep his mouth shut like a rookie should. To some degree the other guys are all doing promotional work to sell themselves. Stuff like "telling their story". But at this point their story is they are an undrafted rookie who has shown nothing in the NFL. So I think Darnold is smartest about that, because he seems to know that.
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58 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:
If it is going to happen it won't happen until next year
HI hope you are right. But how do you know?
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23 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:
With less than a week to go and everyone playing it so close to the vest, I don't even think you guys are being honest anymore...lotta smoke screens going on and possibly misleading threads.
btw, just to be clear: Bills trade up and take Nelson at 9.
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36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
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You have nothing. Just as I thought. Thanks.
Look, I can't spend the time to compile reports to disprove all of the many wrong headed things you say man. I have a life to live. And you won't learn from it anyway.
So to save time I will just agree with you. Yes Scott we all remember the many games when the Bills were behind late, the tension was high , and all of our spirits soared when Tyrod stepped on the field in the 4th. We all thought, oh thank God, here comes Tyrod!!
We knew we were going to win because Tyrod would march the team down the field!
And we all stood as one, chanting Ty-Rod! Ty-Rod! as he threw laser passes that defied defending! And then on to VICTORY!! Time and time again Tyrod lead us to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and to bring glory to the city and the team!
Same old Browns. Hue Jackson reported to be shut out by his own GM
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Ironically, when you read the original post he is talking about, the writer did in fact, just make it up!
Josh Norris says the Browns didn't tell the media who they are taking at one, which means Jackson doesn't know, because he says Jackson would have told.
There is not a fact or even a secret source. he just literally made it up. And it gets reported as news.