Offside Number 76

You're right. Fire him before the game, during the game, after the game, but irrespective of the result, let's have no more Dick Jauron on Monday.

qft

did you really not get it?

That's a lot easier to say from San Diego than from Buffalo.

He already did; don't let this concern you any longer.

I'm not reading through three pages of obvious; I'm just adding my voice to what should be a choir of criticism. Anyone interested in winning a football game goes for it there.

$50 to whoever vandalizes Jauron's lawn tonight. And Fewell's defense was freaking excellent until it set in that the head coach had no intention of winning the game.

Technically, the city itself does not front Lake Erie, you're correct. But that community is on Lake Erie. The people who live there consider themselves to be on Lake Erie. It is a Great Lakes city, and Huron is further away. Geography lesson aside, the Bills are the champions of the Lake.

The post was "necessary but not sufficient...." He means that while top pay for a proven leader is a condition of success, it is not, by itself, going to bring success; other ingredients are needed.

From the list (link posted earlier in the thread), it looks like it was a nationwide honor. Frankly, while I wish Schopp would tone down his attitude at times (but it is hilarious listening to him dismiss drunk callers after Bills games), I kind of enjoy his show. We're pretty fortunate to have a sports talk station with many hours of local programming; there are bigger cities out there where all the sports talk is nationally-syndicated programming (DC comes to mind, from when I lived there a few years ago).

Exactly what I was thinking before I opened the thread. I guess Detroit is the "other other" Lake Erie team.

This guy.

Now that I've looked at the video again, it sure looks to me like the Patriots gained ten yards, or something very, very close to it, and the ESPN yellow line was off by a bit. Don't know or care what the game book says; look where the ball was snapped and where it was when the receiver went down.

But it's only proof that the refs made a mistake.

Exactly. I know I did worse at that age, and I'll bet a lot of other people here did, too. It's part of growing up. They've probably learned their lesson already just through the fear they're experiencing; give them some consequences (short of a criminal record) to go with that, and they'll turn out just fine.

One of the interesting points is that none of the holdouts mentioned have realized the success in the NFL that was anticipated when they were drafted. McKinnie (2002, so he's had lots of time) is the most successful of the three, and quarterback "Marcus" Russell (nice professional reporting job, Yahoo--they may fix it, but it really says "Marcus" right now) isn't exactly a world-beater. But all of these guys, even Jammer, were supposed to change their teams. They didn't. And they won't. I loved Crabtree's catch last year against Texas. That was last year, in college (which I like better, but that's another discussion). He hurts himself, and whatever team ends up with him, through this silliness.

That may have been a preseason game. See here: http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/team...nfl&yr=1977

Seriously, I haven't been Schobel's biggest fan, but he had a great game today. This one definitely wasn't on him; it may have been in spite of him.

Yeah, I get you. Most people here probably do, too. We're still pissed. We'll be pissed tomorrow and Wednesday, and even after the Bills win on Sunday, we'll be pissed.

This. Go to ground. Man, I'm more pissed off, by far, than I would have been with a 50-point loss.

I can appreciate solid defensive football, too. I also can appreciate the difference between games that are low-scoring because of terrific defense, and games that are low-scoring because offenses are too conservative. There's too much of the latter in the NFL, and the game has become boring. That's why the red zone channel would be appealing. I don't need to see Houston sit on the ball and wait for a two-minute warning when they're down by 10. And the NCAA hasn't changed its rules to cram in more ads, and less football, in a shorter time, the same way the NFL has.

It's the NFL. If I had a way to watch exciting pro football, without seeing scared OCs calling dumb plays, without seeing defenders penalized for 15 yards for touching a guy, without the feeling that the game is a sideshow to the Toyota Tundra ads, I'd be all over it. But I don't have access to Red Zone, and doubt that I will make efforts to get it. I'll keep enjoying good football on Saturdays and Bills games on Sundays.

Agreed. This was a pretty nice thread when it was about football. That said, the Bears-Packers game is good through three quarters. Beats the hell out of anything the NFL permitted me to see during the day, with the possible exception of forty-five seconds of the Washington-JerseyG game.

Thank you, Washington, for giving me at least the hope of watching one interesting bit of football today. Please recover your onside kick.

I guess this has been going on nationwide, and for a while. Here's a bunch of AV-types discussing it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1163878