MikeSpeed

I've made this observation before, but I don't know how to reference it so I'll say it again. Denver had a decent team when they traded Cutler to Chicago. Chicago's team was crap. When they swapped QB's the talking heads all said that Denver will suffer and Chicago will return to the playoffs, because Cutler was so much better than Orton. The results weren't as planned. Another case where the team makes the QB...Brady goes down and Castle still gets them to the playoffs. How's Castle doing now in KC? My point is you just can't say a QB can fix it all. He can't! Football is the ultimate team sport. All that being said if we draft a QB (Clausen or Bradford) in the first round I will not be upset. Just as I wouldn't be upset with drafting a LT, LB, NT because they are all positions we need to upgrade.

Here's my stupid idea. (I already have no self esteme so when you guys bash the !@#$ out if my idea it won't bother me.) Why move one team there? Since people in LA could care less , and the NFL makes teams play at nutrial site every year any ways, just select a game every week from the schedule. Force those 2 teams to play in LA. The NFL Network could use it for it's Thursday night games, and wouldn't have to travel all over to cover the game. The NFL is happy, and all NFL fans are equally PO'd that they could possibly lose a game a year. Never happen I know.

Rodgers and Roth are down field passers, not check down generals like the Bills perfer. So they are going to take a lot of sacks. Also I'm really afraid how far it would set the franchise back if we draft a QB in the first round and they are a bust. Yikes can you imagine. Compared to the last few drafts this QB class really scares me! All that being said if they do draft a QB at #9 I'll understand.

So what most of you are saying is... "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Wow the news paper would be blank.

Sounds like we have fat girl syndrome. She can't get a date so... She gets a manicure. No help. She colors her hair. Still no go. Buys new cloths, puts on more make-up, wears the best perfume, nothing works. Even blaming her problem on all the guys she has met saying "They're just jerks". All the while denying to herself that if she would just lose 100 lbs she would have better luck. Sometimes the obvious reasons are the hardest to see. The Bills still can't get a date. Maybe it is them.

I agree. I've always been of the opinion that a first round pick, especially in the top 10, should be starting on day one. (Maybin is killing me ) It makes no sense to draft a QB in the first round just to set him on the bench for 2-3 years. Having a rookie start behind this line... his confidence would be shot by game 3.

I made this comment in another tread, but I'll make it again. If I was doing a study of who makes whom better does the offense make the QB or the QB make the offense I'd swap a QB from a playoff team with one from a non-playoff team. Last year Jay Cutler led the Broncos to the playoffs. Kyle Ortan was a nobody. They swap teams and Denver still has a chance for the playoffs while the Bears are out. Now it's only one case, but it is interesting. There's also the Steve Young, case going from Tampa to SF. I'm not sure Steve Young would have ever been anything more than an average QB had he stayed at Tampa. When Ben R was a rookie he had a good o-line and stellar run game to help him. Without both this year they are stuggling to make the playoffs. The opposite could be said about Sanchez this year with the Jets. I just think it's a safer bet to build an o-line and a reliable running game to make a good QB look great rather than the other way around. Now I would love the next Payton Manning to be a Bill, and if the NEW FO thinks he's in this years draft then by all means draft him somehow. IMHO he's not there and even if he is there, there is no sure way to know which QB he is. So build the o-line. Give Fred and Marshawn room to run, and I think the passing game will become much more effective even with the QB's we already have as scary as that sounds.

Peyton Manning does make his o-line better, because teams fear he'll beat their blitz. But I highly doubt that there is a Peyton Manning in this years draft, and I'm certain there isn't one in FA. Therefore fix the o-line first and see what we have then proceed accordingly. I do find it interesting that Edwards, Fitz, and Brohm all look like the same guy with different numbered jerseys.

Rob Johnson: sack of potatoes. Drew Bledsoe: sack of potatoes. JP Losman: sack of potatoes. Trent Edwards: sack of potatoes and Mr. check down. Who's left? Kelly Holcomb: Mr. check down Ryan Fitzpatrick: Lots of heart little talent. Doug Flutie: Lots of heart little talent. Either we can't even stumble onto a good QB or something else is the problem.

Sounds a lot like the Bills.

If Tebow was on the Bills this year we'd see him crying a lot. Seriously all of this years QB's scare me. There is no clear cut #1 QB in this draft. 1 or 2 may pan out, but it's difficult to determine who those guys are. I wouldn't draft a single one of them in the first round. I highly doubt that this years QB class will resemble the class or 83. More than likely it will resemble the class of 99.

Continuing with the if game, if Fewell is the HC to start the season are we seriously talking playoffs now? I say yes. To take this crazy talk one step further, if we win out; NE @7-3 schedule has NO, Dolphins, Panthers, Bills, Jax, and Houston. They have some interesting games left. NO and Houston could be tough for them the Dolphins always give them trouble too. It's possible although highly unlikely we win the division.

I consider him a expectation bust. A first round draft pick for a bad team better be starting and making some plays. He maybe great a year or 2 down the road, but what does that do for a team that needs impact players now? If he was drafted in any other round this conversation wouldn't be happening. So really it's the Bills first round draft choice that's a bust right now, not Maybin. (Although that remains to be seen.)

Does the swapping of Ortan and Cutler show us anything? Ortan did little to nothing in Chicago, while Cutler was doing well in Denver. Now that they've switched places so has their fortunes.

The Byrd pick and the Maybin pick have no similarities. Drafting a DE at 11 was consider a necessity for the Bills this year. Drafting another DB at anytime was not. Most poster here criticized the Maybin pick not because the Bills drafted a DE but because they though he wasn't worthy. The Byrd pick was criticized because it was another DB, something the Bills had plenty of. Byrd was not criticized for his playing ability. You can argue that the Byrd pick was a best player available selection, but that is many poster were saying was not the case with Maybin.

Every first round pick of this decade including this years! Yeah I know Maybin hasn't been given any opportunities. Well he may end up being great some day, but when you draft a guy #1 that high he better be a starter. The only time you draft that high with the intension of developing a player is at QB. So to that I say the FO has screwed up again.

Captain of the Titanic. Oh wait he already is!

I'm getting a headache just reading this thread. Power of suggestion I guess.

If you look at the Bills right now, we may as well has drafted one in the first round in the past few years. Maybin rarely sees the field, Mckelvin, and Whitner are out. Lynch was out the first 3 games. What harm could it have done to draft QBs instead? So they don't play? How's that any different than what's going on now? You would think even the Bills couldn't screw up 4 first round tries at a QB?

I've always hated that statement. You don't take what the defense gives you, you take what you want.

What about hiring a new coach/GM such as Holmgren or Shanahan and make them GM for this year with the intension of taking over the coaching duties next year? Yeah DJ would probably resign, knowing he's a lame duck coach, but isn't that the intension anyways? Yeah I'm grasping at straws, but one can hope.

A mute point is one where you sit in front of your TV, and DJ starts talking about how hard the team played, and how hard it is to win in the NFL, and you get so frustrated that you point the remote control and hit the mute button.

My take on RW. (Warning! This is purely my gut feelings. No brain cells have been harmed while writing this post.) Ralph does not care if the Bills win or lose. He just doesn't care. Although I believe he's enjoying the profits from the Bills, I don't think he owns the Bills for money reasons either. I believe he owns this team for bragging rights. It's his show piece, his expensive race horse, the toy only a few kids possess and he has one. He's hanging out with HIS rich buddies (more than likely not other owners) so he can flash his NFL owner card in their faces. (If there is such a thing) The winning or losing means nothing to him anymore. It's all about giving him self-importance in front of his piers. If he sold the team before he dies he no longer has that big stick he carries around. Bottom line is this... Russ and DJ make him feel comfortable. They're quiet unassuming and they don't make Ralph work to own his team. Yeah he probably would like it if his race horse would win the Kentucky derby, but I think he is just as happy right now knowing he has a horse in the race.

Cadillac Williams runs for 150+, Trent throws 3 picks, McKelvin coughs up another. Bills lose big. Bucs 28 Bills 6 Or maybe... Jackson runs for 150+, Trent throws 3 TD, McKelvin scores another. Bills win big. Bills 28 Bucs 6 Either way it won't be close.

Even better would be to agree to have no team draft him except the 49ers. They wait until their last pick and select him again. The guy would freak!