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Viet Nam and Cambodia won't be the last stops on the cheap labor train. Venezuela is working its way towards that status and there are countries in Central America and Sub-Saharan African with cheap labor. If they improve their property rights, would expect those would be the next sources for foreign manufacturing. Which could help those countries reduce poverty tremendously, if they can keep the multinationals from lining autocrats pockets. Would agree that manufacturing needs to come back to the US. Will be interesting to see how much of it does come back. Expecting pharmaceuticals will come back. If cheap energy continues, could see chemicals in general coming back as well provided those manufacturers can get around/ overcome NIMBY. Not expecting much else to actually come back; hoping though that it does.

Dayum.

Sorry, the franchisors SHOULD be getting relief out of the "$500B slush fund," not out of the small business relief funds. If they get the money aimed at the legit small employers this will NOT help the economy recover when America is finally "back in business." But, the elected officials that supported the Kennedy Center grants and the like already knew that.

Well, in fairness, if he only watches MSNBC and they DON'T show his daily press conference, the staffer would have no idea of where he's at.

Wonder what kind of information about the crisis could've been had using humint in China? Would've been helpful.

Does anybody know what preventative measures are ongoing for the subway system in NYC? Looked for, but didn't find that info. It would seem that the MTA would have to be disinfecting the trains and stations quite religiously to keep that from being a major source for the spread of the virus.

The WHO, which is SUPPOSED to be providing good, accurate information about the virus crisis flat out said that shutting down travel with China was a BAD decision and lobbied for 45 to rescind the ban. They were still arguing against it at least until February 5. So, yes, the WH had necessary info to act decisively by the end of January. But in doing so, they were ignoring the advice of an organization that SHOULD be led by experts. And the WH was right, and the experts at the WHO were wrong. Should more have been done at that time? In hindsight, yes. But when China and the WHO had been lying and downplaying the severity of the situation right up to that point in time and beyond it, and THEY had the best info on it, it is difficult to say what exactly that should have been at that time as even the actions that were taken were decried as being excessive.

Testing vs proper hygiene, let's look at your case for testing instead. Ok, so you say up to 1 out of every 4 people with the virus remain asymptomatic. You also tell us that testing will keep a grocery bagger from infecting his market's shoppers. Is the bagger exhibiting symptoms of a cold/flu/Wuhan virus? If yes, wtf is he bagging groceries? He SHOULD NOT be doing that. Would him getting tested and then finding out 5-7 days later (which is what the turnaround time has been for all the tests except those being tested this past week) prevent people from getting the virus? Once he finally starts to self quarantine, presumably after getting the results back, as in this example he hasn't stopped working yet even though he's sick so we can't honestly expect him to stop working prior to being forced to, can we? Now, let's assume he's 1 of those 25% of the asymptomatic carriers. Wtf is HE getting tested when he exhibits NO SYMPTOMS? Is he the 100,000,000th presumably healthy person to get tested, the 4th, the very last? Where does his spot in the testing queue stand? How many actual sick people exhibiting symptoms does he get tested ahead of? Yes, testing him and (after 5-7 more days while waiting for the results) removing him from his job can help limit the spread, but, if people are being released from quarantine after 14 days of being symptom free - as most of the protocols are following, then at most you've taken this individual out of the equation for 9 days. Wasn't him calling in sick when he 1st became sick and staying home until he was better the more effective way of limiting the spread of the disease? Testing helps, but it isn't as effective as following proper hygiene protocols is. And it barely helps at all if good hygiene doesn't accompany it.

Nope, that wasn't the one. Guess there were at least 2. Was referring to a graphic photo of the subject of Billie Holliday's "Strange Fruit" song. Quite disgusting and the poster was banned for it as well.

EXTREMELY offensive photos have gone as well, but can only think of 1 that met that criteria.

It's about time. The guy has all of 16 posts on a Bill's message board and at least 10 are in this thread alone. He's definitely a sock puppet. Probably one of Gary's.

Pretty sure that even if the Mofos (who deserve to be shiv'ed btw ) did try to evict them there is a moratorium on evictions in the CARES Act.

Yes, he should be. But, there's not a chance that he will be. His enemies should be able to take those and run with them. But, they end up just as, if not somehow moreso though prior to seeing it it would seem impossible to be moreso, childish as he gets. Imagine how many political science dissertations will be written about their dynamic. And further, imagine just how many still won't understand what happened even through the lens of hindsight.

Not excusing 45's giving it right back to the media that get in his face; it's a bad look and has been for a long time. But, please point out the last time Cuomo dealt with an in your face media? And, do you honestly think that Cuomo telling conservatives they aren't wanted in his state or his having the Empire State Building lit up in pink to celebrate abortion on demand is any less in your face than 45's delivery? The right, for the most part, especially here, have been fair in their view of Cuomo's handling of this issue at his level, IMHO. (The post ~3 above this not withstanding.) Do you honestly believe the left, for the most part, has done the same for 45?

Sadly, expect his wearing that sweatshirt will be the full extent of his attempt to become one.

Thing is, there actually is a proxy available to get a guesstimate of how 44 would be treated had this crisis occurred on his watch. Look at the coverage & treatment Cuomo has been getting for his performance during the crisis. He has been criticized for some actions/ inactions; but for the most part, IMHO, he's been allowed to do his job without too much criticism. And he's even recieved some compliments from people that in general don't like his overall performance the past 10 years. Compare Cuomo's treatment by the right relative to 45's treatment by the left. Should give a reasonable idea of how 44 would've been treated.

Yeah, no way will our extended family be having our usual Easter meal. Too many elderly people with health issues to invite to even consider holding it. And we (my extended family) are very lucky this hit in February / March as at least 3 were in the hospital in the Fall. We'll get together for Easter next year.

An item I'd be curious to know is, when this whole episode is behind us, how many people out of the 100,000's or 1,000,000's that catch this virus will have gotten it from being in a hospital for an unrelated illness / procedure?

Actually, the 1st time it is mentioned the article says 6 months, but uses 4 months the 2nd time it is mentioned.

How does that work for say 150,000,000 people or so in actual practice?

So, people that haven't had it would have to wait until they've been tested before being allowed back to work? 2 q's as to how that would actually be implemented: Under what conditions would they have to retest? And more importantly, who decides and how, who gets that test? (And a 3rd related q too: would the test keep / collect individuals' DNA so that we'd now effectively have a national DNA registry?)

Michigan is going to up the unemployment benefits by $600 for up to 6 months? What pot of money are they tapping into to cover that? The "Final-Final" version of the CARES Act said the $600 adder will be covered through July (4 months tops). Unless there were additional changes between that and what 45 signed, really doubt Michigan has the budget room to cover that for 2 extra months.

If they try to open things back up as Germany has proposed, by letting those who've had the virus and survived it be the 1st people released, when does the next and significantly larger group of people that didn't contract the virus get "permission" to resume their lives?

Wondering how often they DON'T get caught when claiming footage from 1 location is really someplace else?