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Po-tay-toe - Pa-tah-toe.

He also has to be exhausted by now from all of this. When people are exhausted, they ask stupid questions or say stuff to the effect of 'there are 57 states.' Cuomo should be given a pass for telling people that want to go back to work that they should become essential workers and then they can. He's exhausted too. Laugh at 45 for asking a dumb question, but don't make it out to be his telling people to drink (or even bathe in, hi Mrs. Cuomo) bleach. He asked a question. (A few actually.)

So, he thought Pierce Brosnan's character in 'The Tailor of Panama' was someone to emulate? Wtf?

Probably better than being diagnosed with Bryan Cox.

The southern cities, excepting for a few like New Orleans, which has severe geographic limitations also are more spread out than their northeastern counterparts. Which also should help them with "social distancing" relative to NYC. Places like Houston are far more suburb-like than somewhere like Boston even though the metro population is greater. Will be really interesting to see what the experts come up with for why NYC got hit soooo much harder than anywhere else in our country (and hopefully no place else gets hit the way it did). Population density & continued use of mass transit seem to be likely culprits, but still would like to see what the official explanation ends up. (And still hope that when all is said and done we get better data than simply 'everyone that didn't die from bloodloss since February 1 was a victim of this Corona virus' that we seem to be getting. It'll go a long way towards determining what actually happened and how to better deal with it next time something like this springs up.)

Pretty sure he goes by SectionC3 now.

Will probably be late, but pretty sure - IN!

Can't speak for them, and won't, but considering his admitting defeat would be the most likely way for him to lose his support from the people that do back him and they desperately don't want him reelected; well, you can do the math.

According to the CDC's website, the US had 8 reported cases on February 1 and 30 on March 1. 10 days later on March 11, there were 1,215 cases. The world for our country turned upside down in 1-1/2 weeks. Would like to have seen a shutdown of travel to/from Italy sooner (but realize that might not have been possible without shutting down travel to all of Europe which did not seem warranted earlier than it was) but that seemed to be about the only restriction that MIGHT have been enacted before it was. Well, without the benefit of hindsight at any rate.

Wait a second, Germany is just now, in 2020, banning Hezbollah? And other European countries STILL haven't done that? WTF?!?!

Of course, if they did give made up dirt on Clinton and they then went to the authorities with it (we'll never know if they would've or wouldn't have; but we do know that his dad is a NYC real estate guy who has had people digging for dirt on HIM for 4+ years and the worst they've found to date is a settled case about discriminatory rentingbpractices from 30+ years ago and him saying if he wanted that women would let him grab them by the ######, so if's st least possible he would've brought it to the authorities), then it seems they'd be able to use the "dirt" on Hillary themselves and now Clinton is on the defensive explaining how it's all bunk. At which point Trump's team starts looking into that themselves. It seems providing fake dirt about Hillary is less clean than simply bait & switching the meeting premise.

Except for during his speech a couple of weeks back on a Friday 'the national guard will take the ventilators we need from upstate' (which he wisely backtracked from that Monday), this was his worst moment in front of the cameras. Understand what he was trying to say, but not a good look. Probably could use a 2 hour nap. All these guys have to be friggin' exhausted.

Wtf ever said it wasn't?

Pretty sure none of the studies that suggested it was helpful suggested taking it by itself. (And separately have seen a lot of doctors recommending taking zinc regardless to boost your immune system.) But ttbomk each of the ones that have suggested it isn't effective have only looked at administering hydroxychloroquine by itself.

Now just wait a gol durned minute here. You tryin' to imply that studying the effectiveness of a drug taken under conditions that will necessarily limit its effectiveness will make it appear to be an ineffective treatment option? How could that possibly be the case? Wondering how the hydroxychloroquine suppository double blind tests are going to turn out?

It isn't / wasn't just ventilators that got reduced to 2 suppliers. Obamacare did that to ALL medical suppliers - 2 winners for wheelchairs, ventilators, etc. That was a feature, not a bug. At least that was how it was explained when it was implemented. Don't have the details on it (because it wasn't my primary business & was ~10 years ago), but a client of mine advised companies on how to prepare for the Obamacare bidding. He used to tell horror stories of how multigenerational manufacturers were going to get forced to close due to not being big enough to be 1 of those final 2 suppliers. Recall @Magox was up on the ACA when it passed. Maybe he has clearer details on that.

Soooo, during the 1st week of February YouTube under this policy would've been removing links to 45 restricting travel between China & the US. (THAT also went against WHO recommendations.) These people are nuts.

You'll have to forgive him. Reading doesn't seem to be his strong suit.

What, you mean escaping boredom isn't why 96%+ of the adult working age population went to work 1 month ago? Surely there can be no other explanation for it.

So, prior to December '16, unmasking to WH staff for political purposes WAS acceptable?

Don't go along with your alien conspiracy theories, but you've been dead nuts on with the FISA/ RussiaGate, UkraineGate/ etc. If there is anything legit to THIS theory, Joe from Winslow is going to have a lot of people coming to his views. REALLY hoping you're being too cynical on this one and this is more aliens than the Insider Baseball you've been sharing. (Expect that you are, no offense intended.)

Can't even put any blame on hospitals for wanting the higher reimbursement rates. But if we're getting faulty data because of that, then we won't come out of this crisis as smoothly as we could with good data. BUT, IF patients that don't need to be going on ventilators are going on them, then somebody needs to go to jail for blatant malpractice. They cause issues of their own for patients, but if you need to be on 1, the issue they solve is more acutely deadly than the issues they cause; so they are beneficial for some.

Once again, you and I differ on the details, but in general are on the same page. When things open back up, there will be additional cases but if done right, this won't exceed capacity. And if they've found effective treatments, whether it be hydroxychloroquine & zinc, or erythromycin, that new drug that they're testing, or something else, then we absolutely won't exceed capacity. Keep up social distancing protocols if necessary, but open businesses and society back up when this wave is past. Waiting for full herd immunity or a significant portion of the population to be vaccinated will likely be significant overkill. (Oh, and just because it hasn't been said in a while - #### the CCP and the bat they flew in on.)

Really wonder whether the governors of those states that are planning to stay on indefinite lockdown aren't hoping that places like Ohio that plan to open soon end up with a rebound in cases so they can have a "see, we told you so" moment. Hoping that's not the case.

@Magox, you're right in that we need better data but not sure how best to go about gathering the better data, which absolutely is necessary at present. (As you point out both to figure out how best to come out of this crisis and to prepare for a future event.) Because that all or nothing counting of cases and outcomes leaves us with very poor data. It is perfectly logical to assume a large percentage of increased death rates in places like NYC is due to COVID-19 and even some percentage of deaths from treatable / curable causes such as heart attacks that weren't treated because the hospital was too tied up with COVID-19 cases to have the resources that would normally be available to keep a particular patient alive but wasn't when the resources were needed. But that's only part of it, and like you say, they really need to be able to figure out with reasonable accuracy how many additional heart attacks happened, not because the patient had the virus but because the patient's blood pressure and heart rate climbed due to the stress induced simply by the fear of getting it? Right now, we seem to be seeing official #'s for strokes and heart attacks decreasing which can't be the case in reality. If we're undercounting those and overcounting virus induced deaths, there's no way they'll be able to minimize the TOTAL death count. Because somewhere the total combined deaths reaches a minimum as stress related deaths increase and virus related deaths decrease and vice versa. But if we're actually seeing stress related deaths go down by enacting measures that increase stress to reduce the spread of the virus and thus virus related deaths, we'll absolutely keep things shut down longer than necessary because the data us faulty. And reducing total deaths (through virus, stress, and other means such as starvation and related maladies or crimes induced by desperation) should be the major focus and a secondary and yet still very important focus is not forcing large portions of our nor the world's population into abject poverty which won't kill as many today as the virus might but could kill far more via war and famine down the line. The politicians have to be cursing their own fates at present because this ain't what they signed up for and there are no obviously good choices. People are going to die regardless, people's lives are going to be dramatically effected regardless and not in a good way. But there are right answers out there. But to get to them, they need accurate data. (And not going into at all how not all politicians want to see our society return to a semblance of "normal;" there are those that want society "tranformed." What they might consider the "right" decision won't be considered right by those that wants return to normalcy. That's a discussion for so many other threads we have.) If the decision makers have accurate data (and let's face it, the decision makers are politicians; their advisors are the ones interpreting the data and making recommendations and those are only as good as the data), we'll be lot better off than if they don't have it.