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Defending yourself...against someone watching you? So basically if someone looks at you wrong you think you're justified in assaulting them? Come on now, just admit you've lost in this case and move on. No need to go Simple Jack to defend your position.

If I'm Musk I pull Starlink and say "find someone else." See how that goes.

Well then you and you alone will be responsible for your actions.

So if someone was following you, you’d assault them instead of going to safety?

It wasn’t a situation until Martin assaulted him. Just being followed isn’t an excuse and again Martin could have gone inside the safety of his father’s house.

It was a 5th rounder in 2023 because he was reinstated but the 2nd rounder depends on him signing a long-term extension. It can be a 3rd rounder based on playing time. But that's all because he was suspended indefinitely at the time of the trade.

Guilty of what? Surveilling Martin?

You're gonna have a looooooong ass wait... And if they can demonize a guy (now) on their shitlist, it's a double-bonus.

It was a stupid and insensitive thing to say. I'm not going to defend it or some other things he's done and said. I've said all along that I wish he had acted more Presidential when he was in Office but he is who he is.

Remain in Texas, not Mexico. What a clown show of a corrupt inept Admin.

I didn't read the thread but that reminded me of their game against the Ravens last year.

The girl never accused Araiza of rape (meaning forced sex) either outside or inside the house. They both admitted the incident outside the house was consensual and her friends said she was boasting about it when she joined them afterwards. True she was 17, but she was portraying herself as legal/in college and in California that's a valid defense, and if you saw and heard her in that video from the night before, you wouldn't be able to tell that she was 17 and not 18. As for his involvement with what happened inside the house, she claimed he led her inside to his teammates but never said he participated. But there's no evidence even of that and evidence otherwise, even if it is from a friend, while she has no one to corroborate her claims. I'm sure they have his cell phone data to show he wasn't there and I'd like to see that but it won't change much because beyond the lack of evidence it sounds unbelievable on the face of it. I won't defend what happened inside the house/his teammates and I have no idea if at some point a rape occurred. About the best defense I can give her is that she took or was unknowingly given a roofie. It would explain a lot. But the videos are damaging to her case. And the civil trial is still pending. No team will sign him until it's over because it's a distraction.

What, did you forget you already replied to me? I gave you the answer, straight from Zimmerman as it was happening. You'll have to ask Zimmerman what he meant exactly. But it doesn't matter what his reason was. It wasn't an excuse for Martin to attack him instead of going inside to the safety of his dad's house. He chose poorly. Yup.

He's always been an idiot.

Herbert just doesn't have it.

Dicker? I don't even....

How the hell...

Good.

Dang, was hoping for the fumble-6 in the Miami game.

Cheaters 2PC fails. Good.

He does?

Did newcam get a sent to the naughty boy's room?

Yep Mike Williams is back. But dumb not to make the catch and immediately go down.

Missed part of the Miami game. Did Mike Williams return?

It's not a surprise.