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Easy. Ted Washington. And then Pat Williams. Honorable mention to Jabari Greer, although the book is still out on him until he strings together some more good, healthy seasons.
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I thought the draft was a crap-shoot? I mean, for every Peyton Manning, there's a JaMarcus Russell. And for every Bruce Smith, there's an Aundray Bruce. It's obvious to me that you can miss on a top-5 pick, so it's really not the benefit you make it out to be.
Reading your thread, it's almost as if Polian was granted these guys and put no thought into it. I mean, guys like Ray Childress, Chris Doleman, and Ryan Leaf were definitely rated below the top pick in those 85 and 98 drafts, right?
Buffalo hit rock bottom in 2001, and ended up getting a bust in the subsequent 2002 draft. Detroit has had numerous busts (Charles Rogers) and Oakland as well (Robert Gallery). The common denominator is those teams had piss-poor decision makers just like Buffalo had from 06-09 in the least.
Except that Peyton Manning was everyone's consensus #1 overall pick. And Polian didn't draft Bruce Smith, or Kelly, or Reed, or Reich. Polian was director of pro personnel for most of that (1985) year.
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Gotcha...
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt the evidence against Lynch and Hardy indisputable and admitted by both? I could be wrong about that, but if memory serves me Hardy owned up to what happened and so did Lynch about the gun. I honestly didnt follow it closely...
You're not alone. Most didn't follow either case closely. Hardy denied there was a gun, as did his father (neither is surprising). But no one else stepped forward and the cops didn't even investigate because all they had was the word a 70-year old witness who saw what she thought was a gun, from across her yard. Even if he did pull a gun on his father, I doubt the cops would have done anything, since his father is a convicted felon and Hardy was probably telling him to get and stay out of his life once and for all. I really couldn't have cared less, because I'm not Hardy's dad. Had he pulled a gun (allegedly, or for real) on someone innocent...
As for Lynch, he accepted blame for his car being the one that struck the woman, but maintained that he wasn't drunk and didn't know he hit her because of distractions that were verified by videotape of the accident. To this date, no one has come forward saying they saw him drink that night. He did admit to having the gun in the trunk of his car and got a misdemeanor, public service, and probation. But he was never charged for the pot he allegedly was smoking, so no need to address that, and to our knowledge, he's never failed a drug test.
And I am defintely not trying to make excuses for this fool Vick...like I said before, he has served his time and had time to reflect on his mistakes. For me to label him a habitual criminal I need to see those old habits return. Most of what he did in the past wasnt criminal, and what was criminal was also an accepted sport in his cultural upbringing. I am not supporting dog fighting, but I do also understand if you are raised to accept it that it can look very different in his eyes.Again, its not like he was out conducting himself as a criminal. Poor decisions...YES...habitual criminal...not so much. Now if he regresses back to criminal activity during his second chance, then I will reconsider that opinnion. But as of now, he has done nothing wrong, and if you read the more recent reports, he showed great restraint and did the right thing walking away. So if anything, he has shown just the opposite.
I don't believe that Vick was guilty of all the things he's been accused of doing, or that he's guilty in this case. I was merely needling WEO over his defense (and again it was, if you know him) of Vick, versus the contortions he's gone through to fabricate evidence against Hardy and Lynch: players on his favorite team. And he knows it.
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I already conceded the point in your first sentence. Doesn't change anything.
They aren't necessarily fabricating it for their conclusion to be dubious. They are given a brain, or a piece of it, that is badly damaged due to recent massive trauma. They are asked if they see evidence of "Chronic traumatic encepahlopathy", which they specialize in seeing (in their backwoods brain injury "centeer"), and they say "yes, we see this evidence on the path slides". Don't recall the actual ME making this diagnosis (how did he miss it??) on the post---or maybe he kept it a secret because the League got to him!
I don't see the woman winning a lawsuit either because the causality is just not there. But the goal of most malpractice suits is not to win a jury verict, but to coerce a settlement for the plaintiff.
Sure it changes things. You were trying to claim that encephalopathy is strictly a clinical diagnosis. Hence the discovery of (I'm guessing astrocyte proliferation/scarring, which couldn't have happened the day he died, much less afterwards) encephalopathy by histological examination by the neurosurgeon and ME was bunk. Furthermore, they never said that his encephalopathy definitively caused Henry's behavior.
Now I can't speak as to the institute they run, but a quick search on neurosurgeon Julian Bailes and ME Bennet Omalu reveals that they're hardly unknowns. And the original ME would only have been looking for the most obvious cause of death, i.e. the head trauma he suffered from falling out of the truck. For example, I don't recall any histological studies done on his heart.
Lastly, while I agree that the majority of malpractice defendants look to coerce a settlement, this is the NFL we're talking about. They have deeper pockets than almost anyone and will NOT settle a case like this, because of the floodgates it would open.
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Like I always say, it is a team sport. The coach is just another position on the team. We can find very below average coaches (Barry Switzer) who won championships and good coaches that toiled away and didn't (Marty Schottenheimer). Still, like there is a clear and obvious difference between Peyton Manning and JaMarcus Russell, there are clear differences between coaches. Having a good one makes a difference. Exactly how much is always debatable, because a team is never as simple as the sum of its parts.
PS: As to the laughable comment, I just think it is ironic to nit pick over a legend. If it makes some sleep easier at night to think the Bills are better off to not be associated with legendary coaches and players, then that's OK. I'd rather win.
So if Parcells can get you a winning season 67% of the time, to the playoffs 50% of the time and no playoff wins (based on his Cowboys and Dols careers), is that enough for you, knowing that your team will most likely never win a SB under him?
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It took Jackson until his 4th season before he broke out, and SD didn't have any other decent WR's during that time. Maybe the Bills should just stick with who they have and hope one of them pans out.
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Goodell could/should suspend him based on Vick "needing to make better choices" and avoiding situations that look bad, even though they may not be.
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The Bills offense the year before TO was no worse than with him. I think it will be at least as good this year now that he's gone.
That's hardly a stretch on your part. Given the "Pop Warner" nature of the schemes, on top of trying to implement the no-huddle, which they had no business running, and firing the OC and cutting the LT just days before the season started, it's not surprise the offense sucked, and sucked more than the year before.
He's gone. He left no mark on this team.Sure he did. He was the leading receiver for the Bills. As the #2 WR. Now the Bills have no clear-cut #2 WR.
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I didn't select them---they are the diseases that most commonly cause encephalopathy in non elderly patients. All might show acute brain pathology (no need to biopsy them!), but most are reversible if diagnosed and treated in a timely fashion. Meninigitis of course can do irreparable damage to the central nervous system if not successfully treated.
There are not countless (which are all rare) genetic diseases that cause encephalopathy and these certainly do not make of the majority of cases, nor do other diseases such as hypertension---unless you are defining "encephalopathy" now as any pathologic condition of the brain. You would then have to include malignancy as one of the most common causes. This is not how the term is used.
I initially called BS on the motivation of the docs and the family coming forth with this. Also, I am still skepitcal that you could take a severely, acutely traumatized brain (massive hemmorhage and edema) and find a few noninjured areas that happened to have the very surprising findings of chronic disease that the family was looking for. What lead the family to think that he, at age 26, had such a devestating and chronically debilitating disease? How hard was it for these docs to find just what they were looking for?
Sorry, that's just me.
That certain types of encephalopathy can leave changes in the CNS is inarguable. And yes many are diagnosed clinically (and in Henry's case, as far as we know, there was no clinical diagnosis for his behavior). I just don't see why these 2 doctors would fabricate their findings. Perhaps the family is angling for a lawsuit against the NFL, and if they were, that will tell us more. But I don't see it, and I don't see them winning a lawsuit, if they were to bring one.
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The Bills have a plan right now. It does not include signing any more stopgap players. They're trying to build for the future. They can't come right out & say it, but the W-L record this season is irrelevant. The most important thing is player development for the future when they can be a contender. Flozell Adams does nothing to help this team contend in the future. TO also does nothing for their plan. The only stopgap player was Green because Butler's retirement caused them to sign somebody to replace him & Green was available.
The Bills will play to win,. But if they don't, they can call this a rebuilding year.
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How do they make they jump from the Bills being interested..to him being the Bills' starter? WTF?
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Cornell is to defenders as Tina is to Ike Turner.
Alive versus dead? Class versus scum? Talent versus hanger-on?
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I don't think either one of us even thought of panic attack. With all the stuff out there, I think he assumed heart attck...gotta say I did too. But the EMT's put him on a monitor and took his blood pressure several times. They said the BP was slightly elevated, but the heart rythm was normal. And they actually asked him if he wanted to go to the hospital as everything was turning up normal.
Yep, it was probably SVT that resolved (by the time the EMT's arrived). He'd have to have a Holter monitor (basically a portable EKG that records for 24 hours) and have it happen while wearing it to make the diagnosis, unless he can get the ED when it's still happening. Tell him to tell him MD, and if it happens again, to bear down (Valsalva maneuver, i.e. straining, like taking a dump).
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No it isn't. You clearly stated that you hope he doesn't take a snap.
My wish is that someone be an effective starter for the Bills. If Trent emerges from training camp as the best QB and has a good season, great. I just don't see it happening, mostly because I don't see him staying healthy for the whole season.
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If he didn't feel like he was having a panic attack (outside of what was happening to him), he probably had was experiencing supra-ventricular tachycardia (SVT), that resolved on its own (one can also make it resolve by bearing down or massaging the carotids, although I'd be careful with that last one). Unless you catch it when it's happening, you won't know. But the symptoms fit.
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Im with you...dont like the dude on or off the field...but that doesnt make him a habitual criminal
The point I was trying to make to WEO (and it can apply to any posters who bashed Hardy and Lynch and are defending Vick, or "setting the record straight" as the case may be) is that he didn't apply the same standard to Hardy or Lynch, despite lack of evidence in their cases. And neither did anything remotely close to what Vick did. Yet he went out of his way to fabricate fantastic scenarios as to why there was no evidence, while he went out of his way to defend Vick (and if you know WEO, if he doesn't care, he won't respond).
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I agree, it hasn't been much better.
You may get your wish.
My wish is that he becomes a bonafide starting QB for the Bills. But nothing I've seen since his rookie season leads me to believe that will happen.
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No, just pointing out the obvious misstatements in that post.
You can revise history at your leisure--it works for you, doc.
Everyone else can see that I am no supporter of Vick. He's a crappy passer and a punk.
Funny. There were no charges filed against Hardy and no one else but a 70-year old woman saw this gun that he allegedly pulled on his father. There were also no witnesses to Lynch drinking and no incriminating evidence against him the night of the "hit and run," and the pot he was allegedly smoking was never found, much less was he charged with it. Yet I didn't hear you ONCE defend him the way you did Vick. Why do you suppose that is?
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You also need a WR that CATCHES the ball. Funny how it worked out that after the got Trent benched he started catching balls more frequently.
TO gave up on too many Edwards passes and or didn't fight for the ball when he needed to.
You see it helps when you actually watch all of the games.
There's a difference between watching and seeing, George. Your silly claim that TO gave up on Trent's passes, but not Fitz', has no basis in fact.
And newsflash, TO has been dropping passes his whole career. If you recall, in the game that made him a star, the 1998 playoff game against the Packers, he dropped several passes before catching the game-winning TD. Yet he still ranks in the top-3 in every major receiving category in NFL history. Go figure!
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I live in Pgh too--but I got a completely different reaction from my Steelers-fan friends. It was mostly, "oh, well--he sucks anyways..."
LOL! Have they seen Jonathan Scott yet?
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I concur that plasma is the only way to go, unless you will be putting it in a room where light will fall directly on the screen. That is the only drawback to a plasma, outside of slightly higher power consumption. And I also concur that Panasonic is the way to go (have a 58" Panny myself).
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Does anyone think Mr. Poindexter is abstaining from sex of his own volition?
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I suppose the difference is that JP was more of a loser. He has what, 10 or so career wins in 5 years? He simply lost game after game. You can reach for any stats that may or may not make you feel better, but JP Losman is a loser.
If we're going to attribute wins and losses to QB's, Edwards has lost more games than he's won. He too is a loser, although not as much as JP. Not really much of a calling card for either player.
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They were different situations, but all of the jobs were in high-profile markets and he was immensely successful and more successful on an overall scale in building multiple franchises than any other person in recent NFL history. And, if you consider the success of his proteges in the NFL, he's shadow is just that much larger.
Your conclusion that there are "noteworthy diminishing returns", doesn't acknowledge that the situations, challenges, and time frames were different in each case. The fact that he took a terrible Jets team to the AFC Championship game in 3 years isn't so much a mark of "wow, he really regressed badly" as it is "wow, how the hell did he do that?!"
Sorry, but a Bill Parcells sort of overhaul is exactly what the Buffalo Bills need. Which is not to say that Parcells would've considered giving up his VP position to come in and clean things up. Nor does it mean that Nix/Gailey aren't getting back to basics.
Parcells had the 1st overall pick in the draft in 3 of the 5 gigs he's had (Pats in 1993, Jets in 1997, and Dols in 2008). Would you advocate the Bills tanking this season to get the 1st overall pick next year, to help in the overhaul effort?
As for the diminishing returns, forgetting all the other stuff, the fact of the matter is that there has been a steady decline in the success of his teams. That's not an accident; that's a trend. And as Parcells likes to say, "you are what your record is," so the other stuff is just excuses.
Lastly, if the Dols only end-up making the playoffs once (2008) under Parcells, would that qualify as "successful?"
750 Million Dollar MILF
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No woman is worth even 0.1% of that amount. Much less the girls he banged that got him into this mess.