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dude that was 2 years ago ... wasnt that the game that made the officials re-inforce the 5 yard chuck rule ... aka the "ty law rule" because the NE DB's were raping the Colts WR's? Thats not even me being a homer. I have a Patriots buddy of myne who still laughs with how much they got away with in that game.

No, not at all. The Indi defense last year was the Bledsoe of defenses. Good 1st half, horrid 2nd half. In the first half they gave up about 10 points a game (est) and in the 2nd half they gave up about 20+ points a game.

Again. ONE GAME out of a 19 game season. Not to mention game 3 wasnt anything spectacular. 236 yards for 2 TD's in average QB's game ... he was also playing a pass defense in the top half of the league but by no means spectacular. Certainly not in the top 10. His 2nd Super Bowl he had a great game .. no doubt.

NE is not in the top 10 of 3rd down conversions. Killer instinct? you mean him having to come down to 3 SB field goals? Manning has some fierce emotions ... he waves off punt teams to go for 4th and 10 or whatever it was to win the game instead of playing it safe ... you see his emotion in interviews and post game conferences .... give me a break.

Here is what it comes down to: Rayzer and DaQuix's player evalutation: reg season counts as much as playoffs/Sb Meazza and Hol/Don player evaluation: 1 SB wins is equivalant (=) to 100 regular season wins

Oh i lost because you said so I never called you ignorant. I dont do that. I said the statement was ignorant. You know more about football than I do? Whether or not thats true, its a very childish thing to say. "my daddy can beat your daddy up"

And thats where it comes down to for me. Brady manages games better than any other QB I believe I have ever seen. But Manning. Manning DOMINATES them. Manning picks apart defenses. He makes his RB's and WR's better and takes pressure off of his defense (which is a must on that team). Brady > manages Manning > dominates dont forget ... brady has Belichick, Weiss, and Crenell on his team. Talk about the dream team of coaches.

I love when people say that. Its just complete ignorance. Manning has had ONE SUPERSTAR. Marvin Harrison. Peyton was a great QB far before Edge entered the league. Edge enjoy his success because of how good Manning was. Defenses were afraid of the pass so they couldnt stack the box. Look at edge in Arizona now. Squat. Wayne has never had over 83 receptions and Stokely is a 3rd or 4th receiver best. Manning has had nothing "handed" to him. He has had ONE superstar (other than Faulk his ROOKIE season only). Not to mention Manning has NO DEFENSE. Brady's defense has bailed him out many times. Manning cant rely on that.

Then Marino should have above 4 Sb rings.

Hollywood Donahoe must not have received the memo ... in the SB's the stadium announcer actually announcer "introducing TOM BRADY and his band of 52 average players that he makes win every game" ... it was just edited for TV. The Patriots team didnt win the SB. Tom did. Duh.

Of course. Because that is what Brady does. He is the best player because he won ONE MORE GAME than Manning did. And thats what Brady does. Here is what you are saying. Brady is better than Manning because he played and won 90 more minutes (3 super bowls of offensive time) of football than Manning has. That is insane. SB's dont make a player better.

This is the product of media ^^^ Right and before Tom won that SB he was average. But once he played those 60 minutes he was great. And before Tom won his 2nd/3rd he was great but after he played those 60 minutes he was AMAZING. That sounds so stupid. SB wins do not define a player. Absolutely ridiculous.

I dont understand how you guys dont get what Rayzer and I are saying. Maybe if I put it in bigger caps. WERE NOT ARGUING THE PLAYER WITH MORE SB WINS WERE ARGUING THE BETTER QB MORE SB WINS DOES NOT MEAN YOUR A BETTER PLAYER IT MEANS YOUR TEAM WAS BETTER THAT YEAR The example I used was Elway. Elway was not ANY better of a QB after he won his SB, than he was 10 minutes prior to kickoff of the SB. He was the same quality QB. Only difference being he and his TEAM had a SB win. Unbelievable some people arent getting this.

Absolutely. But it doesnt make one player better than another player because he won ONE game out of the entire season more than another player has. Its ONE GAME and its the Super Bowl. Yes. But sorry ... that does not automatically make someone a better player. John Elway was amazing before he won a SB and he wasnt any more amazing after he won the SB. He simply won ONE MORE GAME than he had in years past.

Their are games I do believe Manning doesnt think their is a defense playing for his team. That kicker who plays a dozen or so snaps DID win you 3 Sb's ... deny it or not. Doesnt change the facts.

He doesnt understand this one fact: SUPER BOWLS do a lot but they do NOT make you the best QB in the league. They make you the best TEAM for that YEAR.

Ticky tack? give me a break That 4th down call could have very been 7 points ... Manning was on fire. Then the refs made the mistake of calling it illegal touching downfield instead of pass interference. Thats a 4 point difference (they got a FG if I remember right). So right their the refs spotted you 11 points or 7 AT LEAST (if you want to say the Colts would have only gotten a FG off of that 4th down stop)

I dont think he understands the debate. Im not debating which of the 2 is the better post-season player. I am asking which one of the 2 is the best QB. Period. Peyton Manning is clearly the best QB. I wonder what they will say if Peyton wins 1 or 2 SB's ... they would crap themselves.

HAHAHA . I was going to mention that but I figured it would throw him off too much and he would go on a tangent about how they didnt need Vinatieri.

Dude your not getting it. Brady has a TEAM around him that picks him up when he falls. Manning has HIMSELF and HARRISON. Thats it. His defense plays well once every 8-10 games. He literally has to win nearly every game off of his shoulder. Put him on the Patriots and watch him excel. Period. Were not arguing SB wins. Were arguing the better QB. Learn that. Please. The better QB is not always the one with the SB wins. Who is better ... Dilfer or Marino?

Kzoo is actually right. Thats one of the first things I learned when getting into weight lifting. Grunting exhales from your lungs and actually gives you a better work out. I dont know much more than that ... but thats what I was told.

A quality lineman that would definately upgrade our current situation drastically

Say 3-0 all you want. Thats a great TEAM accomplishment. I dont judge INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS by SB wins. I would think a Patriot fan would know that especially know, considering how the Patriots come out as a team before the game.

Notice how all of the articles say something along the lines of Peyton being the first and only QB since Kelly to do that. So you were saying about every other QB doing that? Also. He does call his own plays even in the huddle about 3-4 plays are called in and he picks which play he wants. Then he gets to the line and has full options and can audible to whatever play he wants. Of course you will never admit you are wrong, so I dont know why im arguing this.

I forgot Hollywood Donahoe knows more than nfl.com, sporting news, and other sportscasters put together. Silly me.