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    Where are the internet GM's now?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    I got flamed for stating the following:

     

    1. J.P. Losman is the future of the Bills
    2. Josh Reed needed to be cut
    3. so did Andre Reed
    4. Parrish is too small, cut him too
    5. Steve Fairchild was an offensive play calling genius. His services will be wanted by other teams
    6. Willie McGahee is underrated and losing him will put the Bills back five years

    Its Saturday night

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    After a 2-0 start I'd venture to say neveryone is along the same lines.....We havent won enough to be cocky or arogent yet....It's only been 2 games and were just quietly hoping we can start talking smaker after the bye!!!

     

    How many adult beverages for you this evening?

    Last November I was flamed pretty hard here

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    Dean and Darren - here's a good article from the AJC to your points:

     

    Rookie QB’s don’t win immediately in NFL

     

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

     

    Friday, August 15, 2008

     

    A study of rookie quarterbacks indicates that the Falcons might as well pencil themselves in for a losing season if they start Matt Ryan from the beginning.

     

    Since 1983 when Dan Marino went 7-2 as a rookie starter, only Ben Roethlisberger has won big in the regular season as a rookie starter. Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter in the regular season as the Steelers were powered by running backs Duce Staley and Jerome Bettis and wide receivers Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress.

     

    Marino and Roethlisberger both were on powerful veteran teams.

     

    “Marino was a late first-round draft pick going to a Super Bowl team,” said Charlie Casserly, the former front office executive with Washington and Houston. “He ended up with a team that had already been in the Super Bowl. He was around good players.”

     

    Roethlisberger was set to sit and watch Tommy Maddox. But Maddox was injured in the second game of the season and Big Ben stepped in and took the Steelers to the AFC Championship game against New England, where he had three interceptions.

     

    “They led the league in rushes,” Casserly said. “That was a heck of a football team he was with. It’s rare that a high drafted quarterback goes to a playoff team.”

     

    The Falcons went 4-12 last year and are admittedly in a rebuilding mode. The Falcons’ final roster will likely not flex the strength of the ‘83 Dolphins or ‘04 Steelers. After giving up 47 sacks last year, the offensive line much show that it can pass protect.

     

    A rookie quarterback’s evolution and pocket presence can be ruined if he’s under siege early in his career.

     

    “The best way is to have them sit and have a veteran quarterback that he can look at and learn from,” Casserly said. “Sometimes if those (veteran) quarterbacks aren’t good enough, the players look at you like, ‘Hey, you’ve got to play this guy. He’s our best chance to win.’ So it depends on circumstances.”

     

    From Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw to Peyton and Eli Manning, rookie quarterbacks have a long history of struggling in the NFL.

     

    “Matt has progressed extremely fast in terms of picking up the offense,” Falcons head coach Mike Smith said. “In the OTAs, he showed us that he was going to be able to get a good feel for what we are doing.”

     

    Ryan redshirted his first season at Boston College.

     

    “I don’t think there is any time frame on it,” Ryan said. “I think you just show up every day and work hard and do everything you can to put a good effort out on the field. At B.C. it was kind of the same way.”

     

    Ryan will not say if he wants to start from the outset.

     

    “I’m competing to try to get on the field,” Ryan said. “It’s just about trying to get better and not any of the long-term stuff.”

     

    Here’s a look at how the last 10 Super Bowl-winning QBs fared in their rookie seasons:

     

    2008 — Eli Manning, New York Giants: Started seven games as a rookie in 2004 and was 1-6. He completed just 48.2 percent of his passes and threw nine interceptions.

     

    2007 — Peyton Manning, Indianapolis: Started all 16 games as a rookie and posted a 3-13 record. Showed promise completing 56.7 percent of his passes. He also had 28 interceptions.

     

    2006 — Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh: Had the most successful rookie campaign of the modern era. He went 14-1 as a starter and completed 66.4 percent of his passes. Broke Dan Marino’s NFL records for a rookie quarterback for completion percentage (66.4) and passer-rating (98.1)

     

    2005, 2004, 2002 — Tom Brady, New England: Completed 1 of his 3 attempted passes. Showed no signs of what was to come as a rookie in 2000.

     

    2003 — Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay: Played in four games with Minnesota as a rookie in 1994. Didn’t become a starter until his third season.

     

    2001 — Trent Dilfer, Baltimore: Was 0-2 as a starter his rookie season in 1994. Started all 16 games in his second season and posted a 7-9 record.

     

    2000 — Kurt Warner, St. Louis: Completed 4-of-11 passes as a 27-year-old rookie in 1998 after a stint in the Arena Football League. He posted a 13-3 mark as a starter in year two.

     

    1999, 1998 — John Elway, Denver: The future Hall of Famer was 4-6 as a rookie starter in 1983. He completed just 47.5 percent of his passes and threw 14 picks.

     

    1997 — Brett Favre, Green Bay: Attempted only four passes as a rookie for the Falcons and didn’t complete one.

     

    1996 — Troy Aikman, Dallas: Started 11 games as a rookie and went 0-11. Threw nine touchdown passes and 18 interceptions.

    Last November I was flamed pretty hard here

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    So, there were so many games ("take your pick") when the vaunted Buffalo Bills' offensive line of the past few years provided outstanding protection for JP, you decided to use the his 4th career start in what was, for all practical purposes, his rookie year. That's your trump card?

     

    He was sacked 3 times and ran 4 times for 38 yards (hey, a nice 9.5/att average). In relief, Kelly Holcomb was also sacked once, had to run once and was forced to fumble twice. That sounds like a monster day for the offensive line.

     

    Obviously, I was joking with a "which game" as it is obvious to anyone who has actually watched the games (no matter what former players have personally told them) that the Bills offensive line, the past few years was abysmal. It wasn't until the line began to gel, last year, that the OL could be called "respectable" in pass blocking. Add to that completely predictable and horrendous play-calling, and it's fairly obvious that JP was not in a good situation, as far as having time to throw.

     

    Now, with that said, JP does need to improve his pocket presence, if he is going to improve his game in the NFL. But, please, let's not pretend that his situation was something other than what it was.

    Edwards is poised and has intangibles. Losman has a great arm, but he has no understanding of checking down, looking off a receiver or moving the ball. I haven't missed watching a Bills game in over 20 years and I was one of his biggest supporters. While I agree with your offensive line assessment, we differ on what you consider his "situation". Let's look at the Jacksonville game last year. The Bills are still in the playoff hunt, Edwards is injured and he had a HORRIBLE game. Losman completed 27 of 40 passes for 211 yards with 1 TD and 2 interceptions. He also lost a fumble at a critical part of the game. Granted Lynch missed that game. You don't have to be a former player to observe those things.

     

    He did pretty good his first start at home against the Texans in 2005. What made the game three weeks later any different?

    Last November I was flamed pretty hard here

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    Do you see the TIME that Edwards has to throw?

     

    And the pocket?

     

    Just curious.....

     

    To me it says less about Edwards (who I love) and Losman (was not handled right) and more about the fact that you can make a QB look good by giving him weapons to throw to....time to do it....and a game plan that actually works.....

     

    Just saying

     

     

     

    Jp had time to throw, he didn't make good decisions. Granted his offensive coordinator sucked.

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