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Except that Johnson twice did the woosie thing at the end of two longer runs after the catch. Absolutely hated how he timidly just stepped out of bounds. Was he winded? Out of shape? He's no Andre.........not close, not ever, which isn't to say he can't become a decent WR, but he should never be mentioned in the same breath as Andre.

Frankly, I haven't heard much at all about a change in rookie pay scales except speculation here and there. I do agree that if there was one in place that limited (reduced) what rookies could get, it would definitely make the top choices in the draft more valuable in terms of trade-down opportunities, etc. Alas, I suspect there must be a zillion agents willing to spend considerable sums to lobby against any "Rookie Cap". Has anyone heard anything from the NFLPA regarding their position on rookie caps?

Who are you? Where did you come from? When will you be going back?

Piss on "moral" victories. As a long term Bills fan, we've had more than enough of these over the decades.

Franchise QB? OK, he had a pretty darned good game, but those two picks he also threw (and at least two others that should have been picked), were huge! I like the way he plays the game, his mobility, his moxy, his guts, yet the crowd cheering him now will call for his neck when he reverts back to his inconsistency with his accuracy. Great throw, mediocre throw, "where the hell was he throwing that" throw, etc. Sunday, he made far more good plays than bad, but again, those two picks were huge, just as the two picks he threw against the Pats were. I'll agree he's our best current option, but with Fitz, it will be a love/hate relationship for most.

Overall, I would agree with Bill (good to see your game day thoughts again). While not quite ready to blast Spiller into oblivion, I am a bit concerned with his continually bouncing his runs to the outside when it's obvious to all that he needs to cut it up field and take the 2, 3, or so yards available. He might even break one as well. I want to see a bit more run toughness from him.......

Vintage ICE? Yes, and that's not a compliment.

While Steve has had some numbers of late, I believe David Nelson will make the better #2. One things for sure, our WR's sure look better when they have a QB willing and able to throw to them (one last knock on the checkdown King Trentative...).

One thing he needs to learn (and fast) is that the NFL players are so much faster and better than his former college competition and his continually bouncing everything out side is not going to work. He needs to recognize that there will be many times where simply cutting it back up filed and taking the 2-3 yards available is the best option. Heck, Fred shines at this so he's got a great teacher to watch. Spiller seems to run a bit more tentatively than one would like as well. I sure hope he comes around and not become just another John Avery type.

Problem is that the Bills have shown virtually no interest in big time FA's since Donahoe was fired. We only signed second, maybe even third, tier FA's.

He got beat 4-5 times that I saw, but none where the crowd would have shouted, "Olay".... Seems far more athletic than Green, that's a given. His development may be the main reason Wang is being worked at Guard now. Howard may be starting for a while as long as he continues to develope.

Not once, but twice. Where's his conditioning? He appeared out of gas both times.

Mike Williams was a RT who was protecting Chris Sims (southpaw) blind side at Texas. He was projected as playing RT initially and then switch to LT. Despite some encouraging games in his first two years with the Bills, he seemed lazy and began his rapid decent to a first round bust. Blast the Bills brass all you want, but he was widely held around the league as a top talent coming out of Texas........

DC Tom - :thumbsup:

Thanks for the confirmation.... My memory of it was verified. I still recall hearing the announcement on a local news show in Dayton Ohio. I was so angry at the time.....

....and now (maybe) we'll not have to face a barrage of "Pryor is God and Savior" posts for a while. It was also nice to see OSU get soundly beat. Such a big school that feasts on much smaller schools and programs with only a few real games each week.

Wow, to have a guy like Kenny Davis as Thurmans's relief. We did have period of good fortune back in the late 80's thru the early 90's. Wish all the best to you Kenny (and we'd love to have you back in whatever capacity available)!

When he was building that house in Virginia, or where ever it was, many weren't saying this then. Yet, it is nice to see how he's connected with Buffalo and has remained there. Especially nice since he's Buffalo's all-time best QB, and from the looks of things, he will remain such for quite some time to come. I guess I'm a bit envious of GB these days. Having had Bart Starr, then Favre, and now Rodgers.... Here's to hoping that when Ralph or his estate does sell the team, that Kelly is able to be a part of it.

Sadly, there's no players on the current roster like Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, Andre Reed, Jim Kelly, Darryl Talley, Wil Wolford, Kent Hull, etc. To even begin, we would have to hit homeruns on all of our drafts choices for the next 3 years.

Mr Statue? That is universally reserved for Bledso, and no, Marv did not bring him in. That was Donahoe.

Obama Care surely sticks in your craw, yet only God knows for what reason. If there's an issue with Obama Health Care Reform, it's that it simply didn't go anywhere near far enough. We have the most expensive health care system in the world, per capita, by more than double the next closest Country (Canada) and that's not a problem? Great Britain, Germany, Japan, and France all have even lower costs per capita than Canada (from AARP sourcing the World Health Organization data). 19 of the top 20 Countries (size of economy) all have nationalized health care, yet the U.S. had none at all until the recent reform was passed and even then, we less than half-stepped it. With overall inflation that has actually reached negative levels in the past two years at times, we still have the never ending double digit increases in Health Care costs. We don't even have a decent record with respect to preventable deaths, or infant mortality rates in this country. We're again way down the list. (again, World Health Organization data). The system is dependent on employers providing basic coverage (or more) and we have small firms increasingly dropping it, and big Corporations cutting benefits and raising employee contributions, and this is not a problem? We have an employer based system, in which employers do not have to play. Yet some wish to defend the system at all cost? This is insane, for anyone that remotely is or was in the "middle class" of the U.S. National debt rose under Regan/Bush from .99789 Trillion (Still in billions) to 4.4114 Trillion. It took 200 years to get to 997 Billion, and only a scant 12 years to get to almost 4.5 times that amount. Nice work there Ronnie and George. Regan and his supply side colleagues were the original architects of massive deficit spending. Time period cited was 9/30/81 (10/1/81 was when Regan's first budget went in) to 9/30/93 which ended George Bush's last budget. That roughly 3.5 Trillion added to the deficit by the Reagan/Bush years. Clinton's Presidency grew the deficit to 5.565 Trillion (as of 9/30/2001 which ended his last budget). Far less growth in deficits and had this country moving in the right direction with respect to reducing deficit spending. Then came the world record holder, George W Bush. When his last budget ended (9/30/2009), the deficit stood at 11.909 Trillion. Nice work W. The deficit was not only more than doubled in his 8 years, he left the economy in the worst shape it's been in since the Great Depression. Who the keeper of the treasury? Clearly this points out that no party is, yet one stands out head and shoulders above the other. The GOP has won, hands down for making the major raid on the treasury. Another landslide victory for the GOP. So where has all the money gone? Tax cuts? Quite a bit. Overspending, yes in may cases. Yet the real (and only) winners are the very rich. In 1973, the top 1% taxpayers, earned 8% of the total national income. By 2006, the same 1% now earned 23% of the total national income. Hummmmmm. By contrast, using the same time period, the average worker in the U.S. made Approximately $746.oo per week as measured in today's dollars. Yet by 2007, the average worker was earning $612.00 as measured in today's dollars. When a pie only contains 100%, and one group, no matter how small of a percentage of the population they are, increases their take from 8% of the pie to 23% of the pie, someone has to suffer, in which the suffering is borne by the middle class and the poor. A prime example is the growth is CEO salaries. In 1973, they averaged approximately 45 times their average worker. By 2006, it runs 500 to 600 times, with some much higher. Again not since just before the Great Depression has the disparity been this great (Paul Leopold - Looting of America, and others). [also see - science of CEO salariesand google them yourselves. You should be shocked. These same CEOs may be the top guns, but they are still only employees. The current GOP wishes to do nothing more than to not only continue this recipe for disaster, they wish to strengthen it. When the financial institutions and GOP policies led us to the brink, guys like John Boehner (OH) and Mitch McConnell (KY), the GOP leaders of the House and Senate, felt the watered down banking reform passed was far too strong. Both Republicans and Democrats in the Senate especially, are rich. Who do you believe a bit more. The one who clearly is fighting to make their take greater (more Tax cuts for them, the rich), or those who are also rich, but feel the rich (themselves included) should pay more in taxes with some additional relief given to the middle class above what Bush added to appease the masses when his Bonanza was passed for the Rich in 2001? No rocket science here. Even Warren Buffet, a some what wealthy man himself, has called for higher taxes on the rich, with possible additional relied for the middle class. Why is that? Does he not understand Capitalism? Or is it that maybe his conscience tells him to do the right thing? I'll take the word of Warren Buffett over any Politicians, any day of the week, with respect to the economy. As for conservative values, and while not in any way criticizing alternatives, I believe in Marriage between a man and women. I don't believe in abortion or divorce in most cases. For every dollar spent, I like to see a dollars value received. I don't believe in massive deficits. Fairly conservative values for the most part, yet the Conservative party has been so intent on their power, privilege, and their love of the rich while having nothing but disdain for the middle class and poor that they long ago proved themselves unworthy of serving the American people. In 1993-94 when the GOP contract with America was formulated, it contained one huge key element that led me to generally support much of it. Term Limits. Then, the GOP showed that they only wanted term limits until they came to power, then zippo on that issue going forward. Lie, sure it was, an outright lie if there ever was one, and they continue tho lie to the the American people today. Couple that with their looting of America, and they shown themselves to be in league with the Anti-Christ. Lie, deceive, cheat.....nice.

Jeez, JSP, I didn't realize the Bills had "slipped", or that were were losing ground on the rest of our division. We've been so strong the last 10 years that I find it hard to believe. You deserve an award for enlightening this board with your wisdom, knowledge and foresight.

What's sad is that we've become so numb, we have a hard time mustering any real emotion. It's hard to cheer when you KNOW the roof will cave in any moment.

Congrats Fez.... Been an iGoogle homepage user for some time (what's happened to the gadget offering?) and Engadget is a gadget added to my Tech page/tab. Enjoy it although I sure do wish for more information than the sound bites they have and currently still offer. Any chance of a bit more in depth reporting? As for iGoogle, I clicked on add stuff tonight and there's a lot less there now than there was earlier this year when a "re-built" my iGoogle homepage. Did Google get into legal hassles by with their gadgets, etc.?

Ah, someone who gets it and understands. What the Beatles evolved into and what they pioneered that forever changed the landscape of Rock and Roll. That, and they laid down some outstanding songs along the way. As for entertainers having something to say (griped about by others in this thread), beyond their music is every bit as important as any other voice this planet. Listen to what they say or don't, it's your choice. Jeez, this coming from a crowd that thought of the actor from Bedtime for Bonzo being held as a quality President........ Lennon spoke (and wrote) of peace. Now that's a bad thing, how dare he.....