DrDawkinstein
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Just now, Einstein's Dog said:
While you can downplay the 2 v 3 downs, you don't mention Cook not being out there during the crunch drive vs KC. Lets not pretend the coaches didn't want their best personnel out there - and Cook was not on the field. A $15M player should be out there in crunch time.
Here are our last 3 drives. It's clear the coaches had our best player on the bench.
It's also clear it doesnt matter that Cook is a "2-down back" since when he does get the ball on early downs, we never get to 3rd down...
Drive 1: Good comparison for everyone who still talks about Cook's old fumbles and drops and thinks Davis is going to step right in to replace him...
Drive 2. Another good comparison for everyone who thinks Johnson is such a better 3rd down/receiving threat.
Drive 3. Last drive of the game, Bills get the ball with 4minutes left. Coaches panic and meltdown in KC, AGAIN. Forcing passing plays when the run game was working. And we just needed a FG to stay in it.
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Just now, Einstein's Dog said:
While you can downplay the 2 v 3 downs, you don't mention Cook not being out there during the crunch drive vs KC. Lets not pretend the coaches didn't want their best personnel out there - and Cook was not on the field. A $15M player should be out there in crunch time.
I've mentioned it numerous times in this thread and others.
That is strictly on the coaches making yet another bad decision in KC. Why wasnt Cook on the field? You think he held himself out? Cook was their best personnel. He had the best game out of anyone on Offense. Him not being out there was a clear mistake made by coaches.
He should have been out there in crunch time. Take it up with McD. Or better yet, pay him so it forces McD out of making these same dumb mistakes.
Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:Spotrac is great for looking up done contracts. But their forecasting of "market values"? It's terrible. They constantly undervalue guys and predict wrong.
Spotrac market value is like Zillow market value for homes, and they clearly state they have a +/- of 30% (which is a huge swing!).
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31 minutes ago, T master said:
Yah but the jokes on him because she's not with him because he's some kind of OMG handsome piece of male meat its as usual a gold digger that is all about where she can go, what she can buy, what she can do, who she can hang around with and alls she has to do is sleep with him and call him daddy while doing it .
So it's all a put on and sure he can go hey look what got but I just sit back and go yah okay your a genius when it comes to coaching but a dam fool if you think that it's love ...
I mean, we all pay for it one way or another. At least this is more transparent and direct.
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16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea fans hat the business side of football. But it exists. You can't play stop the world I want to get off.
If fans think $15m is "ridiculous" they are not following the NFL market. Is it high? Yes. Is it more than you'd like to pay him? Yes. But it isn't ridiculous. And I don't break the market down by 2 down vs 3 down. I break it down between guys who are a genuine threat to go the distance and guys who are just chain movers. Cook is the former.
This entire 2-down/3-down back argument is the fanbase grasping at straws to try to devalue him after being offended by some innocuous posts on social media
Doesnt make any sense for anyone who has watched him play, saw his performance last year, and still wants to comment on what he brings.
Like I pointed out up-thread, he was still the most productive/used player outside of Josh. No one else comes close to his number of touches. Regardless of what downs they came on.
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19 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Sometimes it's the way people go about things. I don't begrudge Cook for trying to get paid, but I don't need to hear about it. What good did going on social media do him? For the most part, it just made Cook look overly greedy - a ridiculous amount of an ask ($15M). How did they expect the Bills fanbase to react?
No, I don't want Beane to give in to what look like the petulant demands of a greedy team (Cook/brother/agent). The other 4-5 draft players were able to quietly get decent deals done. And $8-$10M isn't chump change - if they weren't idiots that amount could set them up for life.
It seems like a good sign that the Bills FO didn't draft an RB, meaning they expect Cook to play. Seems we'll need to take it year by year with Cook.
Yall talk like Cook went on some rant and aggressively attacked the team and called out Beane, or publicly asked for a trade, or called out he was denied a meeting with the owner...
He posted a COMMENT deep, deep on someone else's post that was already talking about players getting paid of simply "15 mil year". That's it! Not even 3 full words!
After that, he posted 3 emoji reactions to the news of Barkley's new contract. That's it.
He also posted "Love you Buffalo" (sincerely)
Most recently he posted a pic of him and Josh together.
Petulant child?
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12 minutes ago, Doc said:
She's been cut...
Wonder how much dead money Bill is on the hook for...
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10 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
feel like this is why paying RBs is a bad idea.
Three years ago, JT was maybe the best back in football.Now, maybe Cook is in that top 5.
things just change so fast at the position.
The top 5 leading rushers in 2021 were Taylor, Chubb, Mixon, Cook and Najee.
2 are out of the league or almost out, Mixon (old) and Taylor (hurt often) are overpaid, and Najee was let go by the team that drafted him in the first.
By 2027, imo the chance Cook is still a premier back is extremely low.
I think theres a bit of correlation=/= causation here.
All your points dont add up to an indictment of the RB position as much as they are knocks on individual situations or team problems.
Mixon is old, Cook is not. Taylor is often injured because Indy has nothing else on offense, and no QB (let alone the league MVP). Pittsburgh is a team in flux who looks to be actively setting up their first tank ever.
All of them had far more on their shoulders and took a much larger brunt of carrying the offense and being ran into the ground.
The argument posters make about Cook only getting 50% of the snaps is a feature of our Offense and Team, not a bug/issue. It will only serve to keep him fresh and running longer.
And even at 50% of snaps, he is the largest piece of our Offense outside of Josh. Cook had 207 rushing attempts 32 receptions last year. He got the ball 239 times. The next most utilized player is Shakir with 76 receptions. Not even 1/3rd of Cooks touches.
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Well that escalated quickly...
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2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
The reason you quibble is because there is a salary cap. If you overpay for an RB there will be less funds for other positions. I would have rather the cap allocation went to DK Metcalf instead of an RB.
Secondly, from a longer term perspective it's a bad look for the FO to be perceived to have given in to the demands of a squeaky wheel (see Dallas Cowboys). The way the FO negotiates has brought excellent deals with most of the good drafted players, making an exception will make future negotiations more difficult.
Third, many people here are not placing the value of Cook for what he has done, but rather for what he could be. Cook's stats are at best, at the level of D Henry, $8M a year. Upstream people are saying he should be in the tier of Jacobs, Kamara, or A Jones - yet Cook has never put up those kind of numbers.
Henry's contract is an anomaly that yall need to get over. It isnt a market value contract. He is in his 30s. Additionally, his cap hit this year is $13M, so already much closer to what we're talking about for Cook. And the Ravens are now the top spenders at the RB position in the entire league.
Just like no one is asking Cook to be paid like Barkley who is above $20M/yr.
But Cook is arguably better than Jonathan Taylor who is making more than $15M this year.
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea. Placebo affect. They think "man I'm gonna be so focussed because of that" but when they get on the field that isn't what makes him make great throws, or good decisions. It's technique, talent and split second decision making.
Yea. Placebo affect. He thought it made him better, so he kept doing it.
What a crazy thing to argue when the players are telling you themselves. Who cares if it is placebo or not. It still gets the job done.
And there is no way you can watch all the film of Josh attacking Ramsey and say there was nothing there. It was on a different level than anyone else he has played against. It was targeted, it was aggressive, it was filthy, and it was glorious.
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25 minutes ago, qwksilver said:
That's my point. With the cap going up 10+ million every year why bicker about 2.5 per.
Even more to your point, literally $25M per year now that streaming is involved.
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If yall dont think Josh will be planning something special for this kid, then yall dont know Josh or these high-level competitors. They use literally anything. Often times even manufacturing grievances in their own head to fuel the fire. Watch any documentary/30for30, you'll hear about it often.
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
As is well known on these boards I think bulletin board stuff is total mumbo jumbo placebo effect. It has no impact on performance.
The one thing you are wrong about. Pobodies nerfect I guess
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
Behave. He isn't calling out the MVP. He is doing exactly the opposite. He is saying that guy's the best so that's the one I wanna get.
You have to be seriously sensitive to have a problem with this.
Oh, I think we all "get" what he was saying. Doesnt mean that it wont go right onto Josh's bulletin board to be used against him later on.
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This kid has no idea what he just unleashed on himself.
My brain also went immediately to Jalen Ramsey. Starks needs to go watch tape of what Josh did to Ramsey on the Rams and Dolphins. It was filthy.
I'm legit scared for this kid's safety.
Should be fun.
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14 minutes ago, Ga boy said:
I would like your deal at $50 million. Pay him 12.5 per plus 1 million for 1000 yards, plus 1 million for 14 games, subtract 100K per fumble, an out in 3 years. This is a deal that would make JC smile. He’s a Porsch which costs more than a Camaro.
$50M isnt going to get it done, but you can easily get under the a $12M "average" even at $60.
He has 1 yr left at $5M, add on 4/$60 with 1 void year, and all of a sudden it's 6/$65M ($10.8M/yr avg) and we have him locked up and affordable for what will likely be his entire career.
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2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I would go 10 mill per and that makes him well paid. But he,his assclown brother and God knows who else, is in his head saying 15. Hell the moron brother posts 20 mill per from time to time.
1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:Then screw him. I'm sick of this clown and talking about a position you just keep putting guys in as they come along.
I wish Beane had traded him so we could quit hearing about his ass already.
You ok dude?
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12 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
It’s certainly possible.
I was kind of assuming a discount with those ballpark numbers.
Edwards has made no money his whole career. He was signed and extended for backup OG money after being a day 3 pick. He’s 28, which means this could be his only payday. I think he’s supremely underrated as a very consistent IOL guy.
Getting him at 3y $7M AAV would be a steal. I bet he gets closer to $10M imo.
Edwards has been discussed here as the one player on the OL who will likely leave well before these Cook talks ever started. So I dont see it as "paying Cook made us lose Edwards".
Theres been a lot of talk about Alec Anderson being groomed to take his place after his contract is up. Again, all independent of the Cook situation.
Point is, I think we'll be ok if Edwards is the one OL we lose.
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3 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
They don’t have to hit FA to get market value though.
Great post, and I dont mean to dismiss it by chopping so much out. Rather, this is the one point I want to add to...
Given Beane's track record on early extensions, it can be assumed we'll get some discount and not full market value.
For the rest of it, we'll all hope that streaming money keeps flowing in.
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Just now, RoscoeParrish said:
I’m not sure.
OL feels like one of those positions where they ALWAYS get overpaid in FA. They make take a premium to keep together.
I love Cook. I think he’s our biggest non-Josh threat on offense. I’m not sure he will be 2 years from now and “paying everyone” limits your roster flexibility in a way that makes me a bit uncomfortable.
I don’t want to wake up in 2026 with a Cody Ford/Roger Saffold type OL liability.
They wont hit FA. Beane will have McGovern and Torrence extended before they hit FA. Its already been reported that talks with McGovern have started.
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1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
If you structure it like philly you can add another void year every year he plays here. so it starts as a 4yr deal with 1 void year. Then each year the option bonus triggers you spread the cap hit over 4 years again. You end up with a dead money hit the year he leaves, but it keeps the cap hits low while they're here.
I'm not sure i love that model for a back though, as they don't play usually play well into their 30s so you're almost guaranteed to see a big dead money number vs. say a lineman who you can extend again to keep the void money as bonus and not load as much of it into a single season.
I'm not a big void year guy either. But it is a tool that can be used, and Beane has used it before on even greater risk players (an injured Hyde at the end of his career, for example).
But like we've said, even just 1 year changes the numbers significantly. And lets us pay him his desired "15 mil year", while the average and cap hit is more like $11M.
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10 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
Demarco Murray saw his YPC drop a full yard going to Philly from Dallas.
the underrated part of this discussion is the OL.
Edwards is an FA next year. McGovern the year after. Are we letting them walk to pay Cook?
8 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:Depends how you feel about anderson, grable, clayton, and lundt. You also have Torrence coming up on free agency in 2027.
Should be able to keep them all together.
Cook is looking to make about as much as we just paid Shakir.
We do not have a top WR who will command $20-30M. Knox will be coming off the books soon too.
So we have Josh as the big money. Re-sign most of the OL (I think Edwards may walk either way), and keep our valued skill-position difference makers in the $12-15M range.
All doable. Especially with streaming money hitting the cap increase every year.
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Just now, transplantbillsfan said:
Cook is scheduled to make $5m this year because of the 4th year rookie performance bonus.
Just like the Bernard and Shakir contracts, any extension signed will be partially a mirage because it doesn't factor in this coming season.
If we sign Cook to a 3 year $45m extension like he wants, it will actually be a 4 year $50m contract.
That's $12.5m AAV.
He's worth that and I actually think the fact we did nothing to the RB room indicates we're heading towards an extension.
And as Greg Tompsett always likes to point out, there will be an out midway through the deal if we want to move on.
You're going to love my posts that followed the one you quoted.
I said pretty much the same thing wrt averaging in the last rookie year. And even tacking on 1 void year to bring it to about $11M/yr even with the "$15M average" on the new deal.
The best part is, Beane knows all this better than even we do.
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3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Why not see if he can do it again before signing him to a long term contract?
I dont think there's any other option at this point, no matter which side anyone is on.
I doubt a deal gets done this summer. But Beane has mentioned numerous times the possibility of getting one done in-season or before next offseason.
And as someone on the pro-Cook side, I'm fine with that too.
The only bad part about it is it means these posts/conversations will continue to drag for 9 more months.
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Josh is very supportive and a bit hyperbolic in his praise of his team mates. And Johnson is likely our best 3rd down back. But it doesnt matter when Cook keeps us out of 3rd downs.
Another botch-job by the coaches. Sounds like they should have used Cook so Josh didnt break his hand.
Doesnt matter.