DrDawkinstein

But we arent losing because we are so out-classed on talent. We're killing ourselves with dumb mistakes, lack of basic fundamentals, and bad game plan/play calling. We just got our lunch eaten by the Patriots who are/should be considered a less talented team on paper, but they outclass us at coaching, and it showed. Vrabel is spinning 4-13 straw into competing for the division. We're showing up unprepared, undisciplined, and uninspired.

Let's be real, do we even have the cap space to make a single move?

This is only going to lead to more frustration. We aint in the mix.

For what it's worth I liked Marrone for most of his tenure here except forcing Hackett on the world. Would love to see what he wouldve done with a real QB on the roster with that Defense.

It's still the middle of the work day and you are THIS high? I have 2.5 hours left before I can catch up, I'll be back then.

Would Pegula be willing to steal him from his precious Penn St? Is Cignetti not Marrone 2.0?

Have players line up in formation correctly. Have players line up onsides. Have players remember how to tackle. Have game plans that play to strengths of our team and the weaknesses of the opponents. Have schemes that arent outdated and figured out. Have the team show up like they actually care and arent zombies going through the motions. Really just the basics of coaching, and he isnt even doing that.

It's even more frustrating because Brady famously did just that against the Cowboys in 2023 when it became apparent they couldnt stop the run. Brady got a ton of kudos from the players for getting away from his game plan and adjusting to the thing that was working and continuing to call it until they stopped it (which they never did).

Most of what we discuss here are things that will never happen. You just have to roll with it for the sake of discussion and glean the good points that are made either way.

IMO Rex's Ds being "horrible" was more on Rex/Rob and dropping Mario back into coverage than it being a personnel issue. I think it's fair to go back as far as 2012, when Whaley was AsstGM/Director of Player Personnel, to start looking at the changes and how much re-tooling he had to do year over year. Moving from Wandstadt to Pettine to Schwartz to Rex/Thruman to McD/Frazier. Some very good years in there as you pointed out, and some down years, but never outright horrible, and we were never so many PLAYERS away from being good on Defense, it was almost always a scheme issue. All in all, we agree. The fear of change shouldnt stop Pegula from making the change. At worst we have one anxious year where we still make the playoffs.

Good points, but we're a little lucky that Pegula treats the Sabres much much differently than how he manages the Bills. Additionally, Josh has a very different level of cache than Eichel ever did. As to the result? It at least should get those wheels turning in Terry's head and make it known that his top players arent happy/confident in the staff. What he does from there, who knows. But I believe it would at least change the mindset from "Everything is fine, I can ride these guys for the next 10 years, they have carte blanche" to "I need to keep an eye on if they are making changes/improving". If word got back to McD that the conversation happened, I completely agree he would not be happy. No one would. But then he needs to ask himself why it happened.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here because we agree. I called it a coaching issue. OC is a coach. It's mostly on Brady, but McD isnt in the clear since the buck stops there.

That stands whether it's the current regime or a new one, so not an argument against making a regime change.

Welcome to headlines in 2025. Everything is a "blast" or "tear" or "evisceration", when it is really like one statement and a conversation.

No it doesnt. This isnt the drought-era complete rebuild. This is a "step in and step up" situation. Retooling a Defense is a pretty quick turnaround. We saw Doug frickin Whaley pull it off a number of times when he was dealt 5 Defensive Coordinators in 4 years (each with differerent schemes). And we still had a great defense.

That was a cute, supportive sound bite from Josh, but let's be clear and honest... Ty is not the best 3rd down back in the league. At least not this year/anymore. It's on both Brady and McD since one is the OC and the other is his boss. And when you are HC, EVERYTHING that happens is either because you order it or allow it. McD acting like he wasnt in the know and is somehow surprised/upset with it is just as much an indictment on McD.

How many down years did the Eagles have when they changed from Doug Pederson to Nick Siriani? (Super Bowl 2 years later, Super Bowl victory 4 years later) How many down years did the Buccaneers have when they changed from Arians to Bowles? This isnt a complete franchise reset like we are used to in the drought years when the cupboards were bare for the new regime. This is a "step in and step up" situation. We may see some turnover on Defense with a new scheme, but that is a GOOD thing imo, and Defenses are usually quicker/easier to rebuild as we've seen a number of times.

Same thing I said all season to the "But Cook doesnt play 3rd down" statements: That's a coaching issue, not a Cook issue.

As @Kirby Jackson already mentioned, he just has to have a 1:1 chat with Pegula and, as Terry's highest paid, most important employee, let him know he doesnt have confidence in the current regime and feels they are wasting his career. That's it really. That should be enough to get the wheels in motion. Depending on what happens from there will determine the next steps. But for the most part, it's just conversations with the owner. Shouldnt be any hold outs or hold ins or anything public at all. At worst, he let's Terry know if things dont change then he's unlikely to re-sign, or will start pushing for a trade. But that would likely be the most extreme extent.

Josh Allen Logical fallacy. No one here could name Sean McDermott in January 2017. We've already seen 8 years of evidence from McD that he wont get it done. That beats any fear-based fallacies you can come up with. McDermott did a great job turning the franchise around. But we've hit his ceiling, and have been hitting it since 2021, and are wasting the career of the best player in Bills history. He's the type of HC who can take a 4-13 team to the wild card round. He's also the type of HC who takes a 14-3 team to the wild card round. His whole motto is "Playoff Caliber", and that's what we have. But now we need "Championship Caliber".

Even though its the Jets, and even though its Bart Scott, it's an all-time classic moment from the NFL.

So we're right on track for the disappointing playoff performance. Cool.

I'll be posting the GoFundMe for the billboard immediately after that playoff loss.

The Falcons won the toss and elected to receive so not sure what this thread is about. In general, it's correct to defer.