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    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Another possibility worth considering is that Cook doesn't really want to be in Buffalo long term. I've heard Joe Marino hint at this without directly saying it. He might want more money to stay here than he would elsewhere. Bills fans don't want to admit it but there will always be some players with that mindset whether we like it or not. Cook who was raised in south Florida and played at Georgia and is known to enjoy the nightclub scene may be one of those players.

     

    Sure, all those things play into it. Look at the Godwin report from this morning.

     

    Why Chris Godwin spurned Patriots' $30 million offer, signed for less money with Buccaneers

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-chris-godwin-spurned-patriots-30-million-offer-signed-for-less-money-with-buccaneers/

     

    "One opinion mattered to Godwin — his wife Mariah's," Pompei reports in an extensive article. " They went over the possibilities and concluded they would take less, much less, to stay in Tampa."

     

     

     

    I moved away from the north almost 20 years ago, and it would take a TON more money to get me to move back to those 8-month winters.

     

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    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

    Good. Now let’s get back to the table and get a deal that makes everybody happy. 

     

    As much as I'd love to have Cook around for a few more year, I think this ship has sailed. I think it's as simple as Cook's market number is much higher than what Beane is willing to pay. And that's a fair take on both sides.

     

    I dont think Beane will come up to $15M/yr now or this season. So Cook will hit the market and get his money there. Unless we tag him as a makeshift "5th year option".

    1 minute ago, Rubes said:

     

    I agree, I thought it was an interesting option for Cook. I've always felt the sweet spot for Cook contract-wise was about $12-$12.5 per year, but what I haven't been able to figure out is (a) if the Bills really want to spend that much on the RB position, or (b) what kind of impact that would have on the cap going forward.

     

     

    I think a "team friendly" deal for Cook right now is at about $14M/yr. Nothing less than that is getting done. IMO.

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    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:


    the thing is we would be fine without cook because we have Josh…. 
     

    But whether that means we are optimized for a Super Bowl run… maybe?


    im honestly surprised. Thought it would be a day one of training camp arrival 

     

    Sure. We'll be fine without anyone as long as we have Josh. But Cook has been the biggest help to Josh since we got Diggs. Gives us a real threat in the running game that teams must respect, and last year, took the short yardage burden off Josh (when the coaches were smart enough to use him). And when most of the fanbase is screaming at the FO to get Josh more help, I never understood why we'd also want to let Cook go (or trade him away).

     

    We're definitely more optimized for a SB with him than without him. Agreed.

     

    As for camp, I assumed he'd be at anything mandatory.

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    Is Cook worth it?

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    10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

     

    No way they franchise Cook IMHO. Unless they're super confident in finding a trading partner. 

     

    To franchise James Cook, after he reluctantly soldiers through his contract year, would be to invite distraction and disruption. The comp pick value could very well be fair enough compensation without the headaches. 

     

    I'm generally very anti-Tag because I think it creates more problems than it solves since players hate it, and it's often used almost as a punishment and trump cards for teams to handcuff players.

     

    However, with Cook (and high talent 2nd rounders in general), I can see it being used as equivalent to a 5th year option that teams get on 1st round picks. And therefore I'm less against it.

     

    If push come to shove and Beane decides to use the tag, I hope it's presented that way.

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    Is Cook worth it?

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    2 hours ago, Logic said:

    I have no problem with any player chasing a payday.

    I ESPECIALLY have no problem with any running back chasing a payday, knowing the short shelf life of the position.

    That said, I don't think Cook has gone about this in the most strategically advantageous way. The Bills are an organization who has shown that if you operate in good faith, show up, continue to work hard and play well, they WILL pay you. On the other hand, they've also shown that if you make you make a public spectacle out of things, become a distraction, stop showing up, and become a potential detriment to team chemistry and culture, they will NOT pay you.

    I think the "push for your payday" advice that Cook received is fine. I think the WAY that he has been advised to go about pushing for said payday is ill-advised. The only way it makes sense to me is if he actively wants out of Buffalo.

    All of that said, I expect him to show up for the season, play well, and then get paid. Hopefully by some other team, but it won't shock me if its the Bills.

     

    Love your posts, but disagree with a lot of this perception and I think you are conflating situations to fit this narrative.

     

    What you're basically saying here is that if Cook had not posted the comment "15 mill year" and showed up to OTAs, he'd be signed for his desired amount. I dont think Beane was going up to $14M-$15M in any situation this offseason. But Beane DID offer him an extension of some kind. Beane was willing to pay him, it was just lower than Cook wants.

     

    To the opposite point, Edmunds didnt get paid, Singletary didnt get paid, Moss got traded, they were all "good soldiers". But the talent wasnt there to even get an extension offer.

     

    Benford, Rousseau, Bernard, and Shakir all got extensions this offseason because they have the talent AND were willing to accept team-friendly deals. Not because they showed up to OTAs and didnt post on social media. And for Benford, Bernard, and Shakir, they were all mid-late round picks so these low-dollar extensions are even more enticing for them.

     

    And outside of Diggs, who Beane had just handed a big new contract (even being known as a loud-mouth), I cant think of anyone else who tantrumed their way off the team. And even then, he still got paid. TWICE!

     

     

     

    So I dont buy what this post is selling.

     

    I think it's much more the situation that both Poyer and Hyde faced in their negotiations and unhappiness with their contracts: Beane has values placed on all positions, and he will only spend so much on certain positions. He has proven they do not place a high amount on Safety, and he's proving they have a similar low value amount on RB.  And both Poyer and Hyde were good soldiers who showed up and did their jobs, but were never happy with their contracts, and never got paid.

     

     

    Is Cook worth it?

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    55 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

    The takeaway from Joe Marino was that the Bills simply dont ask their RB's do pass pro much period, not because they can't but because Josh Allen can work around rushers really well and the back's are receivers.

     

    That, and if it's true that our OL is so good they "make the RB" then why do we need an RB to stay in and help this supposed amazing OL?

     

    Cook should be popping out of the backfield and making himself another option/target for Josh.

    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    23 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

    “IF” 

    the chances of two straight 16TD seasons is not real good, James knows this, the Bills know this, imo, I think a deal around 11 million for x years, blah blah blah, is what this will end up being, 

     

    With all, ALL, due respect... that number is crazy delusional. He's never been at $11M.

     

    Our chance to sign Cook in the $12M-$14M range was this offseason. His number is only going up, and is probably a minimum $15M right now after Henry's new deal.

     

    I dont buy the rumors that he is looking for $20M, but as we move to next offseason with more RBs up for re-signing and resetting the market, he'll be at a $15M-$17M range at the very least.

     

     

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    Aaron Rodgers signs with Steelers

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    Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

    I don't see Rodgers and Tomlin working out. They're in a tough spot this season and so they've turned to him. But Rodgers is a control freak with a Coach that has total control and won't take sh-t from anyone. This looks like something that has a 1 year life expectancy rate and i'd be really surprised if the two don't butt heads by the end of the season.

     

    Is there any chance Rodgers learned something from having survived the ***** show of a team that would give him all the power and now he's fine with just showing up, shutting up, playing and getting paid? 


    Even if he didnt, maybe he's more likely to fall in line for an established coach like Tomlin over a coach like Saleh?

     

    I still think Rodgers is cooked, but I'm not convinced it will be a coaching issue that does him in. I guess we'll see.

     

    One thing I know for sure, it was way more fun watching him fail on a division rival.

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    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    1 hour ago, FireChans said:

    Terry has played good soldier for 6 years in Washington. We just need 1.

     

    JMO, but i would rather have McLaurin + Cook in 2025, then McLaurin in 2026 and beyond than just Cook in 2025 and beyond. I'm willing to trade at least a second rounder to do so. 

     

    It's time to stop building for the future. 

     

    Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

    Trade them cook for him.

     

    LOL, there is 0% chance the Commanders trade him. It's just another example of a player skipping team activities in order to apply leverage on his contract negotiations.

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    Joe Brady says Dalton "lived here this offseason"

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    3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

    I think that facility is a training area at mahomes's mansion ..  and it's certainly not better than whatever the bills have at their adpro sports training complex where players can live in the off-season basically

     

    Josh Allen is known around the NFL has having a supreme world class work ethic.. and I'm pretty sure he has a training area at his Mansion too and a film room so he can watch whenever

     

    You Don't go from unranked zero Star high School recruit to a kid who is supposed to be potentially be the number one pick 

     

    Basically corrected all of his flaws that he had coming into the league and became a superstar 

     

    He 100% bust his ass as much as any player including Patrick mahomes who also plays golf and does stuff 

     

    Bobby stroupe is also the personal trainer for mahomes you're talking about.. he's not a quarterback coach or a football trainer he's a physical trainer who's been working with mahomes since he was 9.. and if I'm being honest I'm also pretty sure Patrick mahomes is hobbling six weeks into every season...  His body is always breaking down

     

     

     

     

     

    Yeah, Josh was absolutely putting in a ton of work in the offseasons his first few seasons. Recreating himself as a passer from scratch, basically.

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    Joe Brady says Dalton "lived here this offseason"

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    2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

    With all due respect you don’t have the first clue about what each of those players do in the off-season 

     

    And just for reference this will be my 66th year as a fan.

     

    We actually got a pretty good look at Mahomes' routine, plan, and activities in the Netflix "Quarterbacks" show. It was beyond impressive. While I am not criticizing Josh, or questioning his work ethic, I don't see how it could be at the same level.

     

    For example, Mahomes built a facility in KC and moved his long time personal trainer to KC. If Josh was doing something like that, we'd know it.

     

    Again, I'm not questioning or criticizing Josh. But I dont think the effort/dedication/whatever you want to call it is the same. Could certainly be wrong. Maybe Josh is doing everything Mahomes is and we just dont see it. But Mahomes' level would be difficult for ANYONE to match.

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    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

    Obviously the Bills aren't giving that to him now.  If he repeats his 2024 season take the comp pick and let someone else gamble on trying to turn a soon to be 27 year old RB into an every down back.

     

    Like we've said previously, no rush to pay him, and we can always tag him. But I disagree on letting him walk, especially if he repeats.

    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    11 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

    The difference is that when Beane says "I don't want my 60m dollar QB just handing off to a 20m dollar RB" he's got a good point.  Unlike Joe Schoen talking about Daniel Jones.

     

    I don't think Cook is going to get the same level of production.  Probably 10-11 TDs is my guess.  I think the problem that Cook doesn't realize is that just like with Barkley, he's running behind one of the better O-lines in the league.  The second he gets his 20m and goes to a team like the Pats/Colts, his production is likely going to fall off a cliff.

     

    What is this $20M number and where is it coming from? Cook has only mentioned $15M, and only mentioned it once. I have him possibly getting up to $17M on the market if he has a repeat season. At that point, we'd just Franchise Tag him tho and figure it out from there.

     

    And as for the Schoen quote... Maybe I'm crazy but I'd swear there is a constant hum of Bills fans begging Beane to get Josh weapons so he doesnt have to do it all himself. Why are we so excited to get rid of the most productive skill player on Offense? What better to take the pressure off a QB than a real threatening running game? What better to take those dangerous carries off of Josh's shoulders than a real RB who can do it himself?

     

    As for the OL, almost every great RB ran behind a great OL. Heck, even OJ had the Electric Company. Maybe the only one was Barry Sanders. You need both.

     

    As to the bold, why does he care? He got his money. And for RBs, this next contract is likely his one shot at big bucks.

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    Mini-Camp: A James Cook Barometer

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    7 minutes ago, Senth said:

    Cook has no leverage .... he's gotta play and he's gotta produce big numbers to get his bag.

     

    15 is out of the question ..... closer to 10 with incentives being a huge part of it imo.

     

    15 is out of the question... with who? You? The Bills? Because if he repeats his 2024 season, then when he hits the open market he will absolutely get $15M/yr. Maybe more.

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