DrDawkinstein

To me, this list mostly illustrates that QBs make the WR draft picks. The ones who made it were the ones with the good/great QBs. The busts are a lot of Cleveland, Atlanta, Jets... With Josh at QB, whatever we invest in getting him better WR talent will see greater returns.

If the Vikings convince the Chargers to trade out of #5 (and the Chargers should be easily convinced), then the Bills should pull the trigger on trading up with the Giants to 6 and get Nabers. All for it. Giants should be into it since it gives them another 1st for next year when they will be in the QB market after they get out of Jones contract at the end of this season.

"Rex Ryan liked this tweet" Josh: WTF man?!

Diggs to Cowboys in 2025, for sure. Wonder how low he'll sign for there.

His behavior was the least of it. He's a 31 (going to be 32) year old WR with a big contract on the downslide of his career. Compared to what other teams got in trade for their WRs, we did well. If an NFC team was offering a 4th, like what the Chargers got for Allen, then I'll take the 2nd in-Conference.

Great point. How could we forget...

Kelly and Reed were both way bigger sluts. No need to blame her for two grown men acting like children.

Andre Reed and Jim Kelly got into a fist fight over Laurie Lisowski.

Did you not follow the Eagles and all the drama around AJ Brown vs Coaching this year? Huge drama there during their meltdown, with Brown being the loudest voice in the media. Amari Cooper was well documented for his lack of effort when he was unhappy in Dallas, and missing too many games for his anti-vax status. A lot of the guys you listed are too young (being on rookie contracts) to open their dramatic sides, or on teams exceeding/meeting expectations so nothing to be dramatic about yet. But if the Lions start slipping, a fiery guy like Amon St Brown will absolutely fly off the handle. Hill has the worst drama of all, albeit mostly off field. But he doesnt have to complain about not getting paid because of Waddle since it will likely be the other way around, and Waddle will have to go elsewhere since they are paying Hill. But guarantee if his role was reduced he'd be pissed and loud about it. edit: Regarding AJ Brown... https://theathletic.com/5177721/2024/01/04/aj-brown-eagles-frustrations/ "Players have been working on managing their emotions, too. It was Brown’s declining to speak to the media following the Giants game that initially sparked speculation regarding his frustration. “I was raised if I had nothing nice to say, I’m not going to say nothing at all,” he told reporters. It was a cryptic response that begged a question that wasn’t answered until Wednesday: What was it that Brown had nothing nice to say about?... ...But Brown apologized to his teammates during a team meeting Wednesday morning for placing them in a situation where they had to cover for him." Refusing to speak to the media, "cryptic" messages, and having to apologize to team mates?!? Classic WR.

I mean, I dont necessarily disagree with your point but WRs have been like this for a long time. Andre Reed was a known malcontent and chirper. Keyshawn Johnson was a thing. Randy Moss was Randy Moss. Isaac Bruce was well known for his sideline blowups in St Louis in the late 90s. Larry Fitzgerald was more an aberration. But even with Fitz, watching Kurt Warners' "A Football Life", Warner had to light a fire under Fitzgerald just to get him to practice hard or train in the offseason which he thought he was too good for early in his career. I expect our next #1 WR to have a similar attitude. So should Josh.

I never said Diggs wasnt a problem. But Diggs' problems have been more with coaching both times. Zimmer and McD are very similar in many ways. Separately, there is another discussion and point about how Josh's feelings and how he handles diva WRs which is what this thread is discussing.

Another good comparison is Keenan Allen who is similar in age and price, and only netted a 4th round pick.

Sure, but Diggs is no different than plenty of other high profile WRs. He's actually more the "typical" WR. So if Josh can't handle Diggs chirping, that's a Josh problem. Because if/when the Bills replace Diggs with other competitive, high profile WRs it's only a matter of time until they start the same behavior. If we somehow landed MHJ, we're right back where we started.

It's especially interesting to look back at that interview now because when talking about Bills receivers, Josh listed everyone but Diggs. And at the time folks just figured "well, obviously Diggs is our #1 and a great WR so no need to hype him", but now it looks like Josh was aware the Bills were working on trading Diggs and he wouldnt be in the picture.

Yeah, the idea of trading next years 1st with this years 1st and 2nd to move up makes a lot of sense now.

The draft is before June 1. Thats why.

Haha, I have a plan. Not sure about Beane until we get more info tho.

But teams can go outside of that formula. It literally happened when Texans traded Osweiler to Cleveland just to get his guaranteed money off their books.

How does Greg know all the financial details when they havent come out yet?

Im sure that's Beane's plan

Here is an article from when the Texans traded Osweiler to Cleveland for nothing other than cap space, and Cleveland took on his guaranteed/dead cap money. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18865517/houston-texans-trade-brock-osweiler-2018-second-round-pick-cleveland-browns

Yes.

"By the book", yes. But Houston can take on whatever they want, and even send us straight up cash.

That's the "by the book" breakdown. Houston can take on any amount they want, and even trade us cash for a player. We'll have to see how this shakes out.

Houston can absolutely agree to take on any/all of the remaining amount.