DrDawkinstein

Same. Give this young team as many chances as possible. I'd like to know the details as to what we would have ended up with had we declined the Offside penalty. I can see taking the 2nd and 10 over a 1st and 20, but not sure it would have been that far.

Just a general question for everyone: Which would you rather have - 1st and 15, or 2nd and 10?

Yeah, but no one ever heard from Gym Class Heroes again. Whereas here you are, 13 years later, with literally dozens of us reading your posts! Right on. I've tried to start threads and make posts to help others keep perspective as we finish out the year. Saying "If we go 4-4 the second half, we still finish 10-6 and likely take the division". Meaning: prepare to lose as much as we win. Dont get too high or too low, and just hang on and enjoy the ride. Wont even come here on Sundays after the games, win or lose. The takes are just too fresh and piping hot.

Probably falls under the "Just because you can doesnt mean you should" category. Good that he cleared protocol, but another week of rest to be followed by a bye week, is probably best for Mitch and his brain.

White is still in prime position, but I see Knox is making a strong case to catch a beating. I'm done with Knox myself, so guilty here as well.

That already happens. Nothing would change. Isnt a problem in College.

Agreed, and now you've taken it to my favorite tangent discussion: the Refs should be full time NFL employees and work on their craft year-round.

Agreed with almost all of this, except now you are bringing up a deeper discussion (tangent?) that DPI shouldnt be a spot foul, but rather just a 10yd penalty and automatic 1st down like in College. Which I do prefer.

Last second hail mary fluke loss to a very good team, on the road out west, with a bunch of starters out... Not one of the worst losses that I can remember. Especially with the way Josh left th field with the game in hand.

I was kinda confused on this too. Defense jumps, it's a "free play". If Josh throws an INT there, they wipe it out like it never happened and it's Bills' ball, 2nd and 5. So if the offside penalty is enforced, nothing that happened after it counts, and there should be no offsetting penalty. Or if we decline the offside, then the block in the back counts, spot foul, 1st and 20. Either way, I'm done with Knox. The meathead makes more negative plays than positive.

Absolutely. But I'm not talking about other teams, or how the Bills compare to other teams. I'm talking about being consistent with turnovers instead of feast or famine.

There is plenty of money to go around. We've already wasted a lot of money on far lesser players on the DL this year (cutting Murphy and not signing Butler would have paid for Ngakoue alone). It's Beane's job to make it work, and there are more ways to work the cap than any of us know. Diggs is under contract at over $10M/year through 2023.

That's incorrect. He just had a Senate that protected him and a base that doesnt care. There's enough in the reports now, wait and see what else comes out when they are unredacted. We all know he's desperate for Putin's approval. He has never hidden that. He stood on stage in front of the world and threw America's own agencies under the bus to side with Putin.

We are already in the driver's seat to win the Division. So with that fact alone, no need to mortgage any of the future to try to get 1 player. Not surprised Beane didnt make any trades. Especially in a season where the whole thing can go sideways with 1 positive test. Win the division, try to win a playoff game. Reload to make a run next year when the entire season isnt hanging on by a thread. Pissed we didnt make the trade for Ngakoue originally. I would have happily given two 2nds for him (2020 and 2021). Yannick >>> Epenesa & Another Rookie. But that ship has sailed. We were in the running for Bell. Would love to have signed him. But oh well.

I'm sure a large part of it was Carroll underestimating how aggressive McD was willing to be. However, part of the reason for his comments is because a coach can't come out and say "Our Pass D stinks, the players we have can't execute or cover, it's a huge weakness for us, and these guys arent getting any better". Even if it's the truth. Sometimes a coach just has to eat it in the media to protect his players. It's part of the job and why most coach-speak in pressers is predictable and worthless.

Absolutely not, and he absolutely wont. For different reasons. He wont declassify any of that because most of the topics you are asking for would provide dirt on conservatives/the GOP. He shouldn't because it will only weaken America and our intelligence agencies. More likely, on his way out he'll declassify something weirdly specific but seemingly irrelevant that will leave his supporters scratching their heads. At that point, be confident the only purpose behind the release will be to help Daddy Vladdy compare intelligence on a certain subject so he can get a better idea of how we collect data, and who his moles/spies are inside his own house.

Lock both these guys up and draft all Defense

Why doesnt the NFL bring in the Glenn Miller Orchestra so Mable and I can do the Charleston during halftime! Does it even count as music if there's no brass section?

For the sake of discussion. For the sake of having a better idea of who this team is when thinking about trends, averages, and predictability. Because we all know a 4-TO game is not the norm or anywhere near it for this team. It doesnt matter who we did it against. Because of this one game that padded the numbers, the stats do not provide an accurate representation of how the team plays. Have you been happy with the number of turnovers the Defense had created before last week? See. Same thing. For the sake of discussion. I absolutely agree. And I dont even count Josh's 2nd INT of the year when talking about Josh's performance since that one is on Andre Roberts. But I dont really expect any of the stats to change. They are what they are. Even though we know Josh doesnt have as big of an INT trend as the stats would say. Did I say we suck? I'm just trying to get a better idea of who this team is week over week. When you look at our performances, we are not a Defense that causes consistent turnovers. I dont care about the others teams. I'm talking about whether you can assume, based on stats vs actual play, that we will produce turnovers. I'm not petitioning the league to change the stats. This isnt that serious. Anyone who has Doug Forcett as their avatar, I got dibs on.

So if I'm reading this right, the Bills won the election?

You are correct. The "bar" has been set?

No offense to the Weeknd or any other SB halftime performer past, present or future... but the standard has been set, never to be broken, by the man, the myth, the legend... Prince Everyone needs to watch this 8min documentary. "Can you make it rain harder?"

What is this, Ozzfest?!?

The ONLY thing he is doing right now is making one last hail-mary grifting effort to scam money out of his idiotic (his words, because he despises them) base. None of the money he is asking for in his "legal fight" goes to the election recount. It gets split between the RNC and his pockets, so he can stuff them as he gets thrown out the door.

When I saw the title in the TBD preview, I thought this was going to be a Mrs Howell thread and thought "this may be a new low, even for OTW" although... I know for a fact some of us here have done worse...