DrDawkinstein

$10M is my middle. I'd rather pay him $8M, he could probably get $12M.

Our base scheme IS a 4-3. But in the pass-happy modern NFL, teams run a Nickel more than anything else so it becomes the de facto "base", hence the 2 LBs. Also, Milano plays OLB.

1. Demonstrate Value 2. Engage Physically 3. Nurture Dependence 4. Neglect Emotionally 5. Inspire Hope 6. Separate Entirely All you need to know.

For some reason I've always pictured Milano in a Colts uni. Seems like a fit there, and they have the cap space. That's my bet on his landing place.

Fair enough. And to that point, lets look at those guys who were recently re-signed. Dion Dawkins, our starting LT. And Tre White, our all-pro #1 CB. Both signed new long term deals, and both are in the $13M-14M/year range. Dawkins never even reaches $14M across his entire deal. So if Milano wants $10M, then maybe. But I'm not paying him the same as our LT and #1CB.

No I would not. That money should be invested in the trenches.

Not surprised. Texans will have a ridiculous price so they can go back to Watson and say "we tried, but no one could get a deal done".

I have no problem with the player wanting to get paid. I have no problem with letting Milano walk. But I will be slightly annoyed when he signs with New England and we have to play him twice a year. The good news is, the BILLS are now the team that vets looking to chase a ring will come to. So I'm expecting Beane to work his magic on the entire front 7 this offseason.

White is locked up long term. Why even mention him?

Googling "Watt Obrien fight" turns up a lot of links. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jj-watt-bill-obrien-fight-texans/17u2x9z2k4sva1qhfmus8323a7

You're close, but I'm not sure it's only that. It's nice you're giving folks that much benefit of the doubt though.

Very good idea. And Jimmy's contract has 2 years remaining, but almost nothing in dead cap if Houston decides to move on.

But BOB wasnt the only or even main problem. He was just a symptom. The main problem is ownership. Watson see that now. And it isnt changing. No one knows his preferred destination. The Jets are only mentioned by the media because they have the picks to get him. For all we know, he would stop a trade to the Jets. As a businessman, this is also exactly how I feel about them as well. And is probably influencing my feelings too.

The person-in-the-wrong always wants to "repair the relationship" when the abused finally stands up for themselves. They had plenty of opportunity to repair the relationship, even came up with their own idea to let Watson be heard in the hiring process. And then once again went back on their word.

I think everyone in Houston and plenty of folks around the league would love to see McNair sell the team, and know that HE is the main problem, and it will likely not get better while he is still around. Like I said upthread. I can only assume Watson was trying to be a good, loyal employee and team mate, and probably thought that if he signed it would help bring some stability to the organization. Which normally it should and would, but now he sees how truly incompetent McNair is, and things have changed. Things change, and not always for the better. None of us would want to work for such an employer. It wasnt like re-signing with the Texans was his only way to get paid, and this was some money-grab. He could have easily gone to Free Agency, and probably gotten paid MORE on the open market. (Although that probably would have also started a nasty Franchise Player war, like we have seen play out with other Texan players). Ehh, see above. Cant fault him for trying to help right the ship. Remember, the Hopkins trade was bad, but things got even worse well after that. Watt and players trying to fight BOB in practice didnt happen until after Watson's deal was signed.

The amount of anger and bitterness towards Watson instead of McNair in this thread is really strange. Watson has been a consummate professional, employee, and team mate up to this point. We ALL know the Texans are horribly managed, and things have gone from bad to exponentially worse in a very short time there. Watson never demanded to be part of the GM/Coach hiring process. McNair went out of his way to tell him he would be, and then never followed through. And the race/social justice garbage is just that. Garbage reasons people want to see where they dont exist so they have an easy way to dismiss and hate Watson. Makes no sense why they would side with management over Watson, but folks really want to for some reason.

While I mainly side with Watson, this is a good and true point. I looked up when he signed his new deal, and it was WELL AFTER they traded Hopkins away. So he should have known at that point. But I am still giving him some benefit of the doubt that he really was trying to be a good, loyal employee and team mate, and probably thought that if he signed it would help bring some stability to the organization. Which normally it should and would, but now he sees how truly incompetent McNair is, and things have changed. Things change, and not always for the better. None of us would want to work for such an employer.

That is EXACTLY what happened tho. McNair created this mess himself.

Yes, wildly misinformed. It has nothing to do with race.

Easy. No debate. Absolute fact. Oliver 13-3 Donald 10-6 Checkmate, dufus!

Oh I remember it all as well. But maybe I'm just letting my own opinions cloud my board memories.

Did they hate Peters? Or did they hate Eugene Parker?

Good. Likely a Congressional hearing too.

The funny part is, I actually do think (since it is just opinion) that Josh is better. But the way this jabroni works, it's actually pushing me away from agreeing with him because his arguments are so flawed.

Good question. It looks like it is just this year. But boy, even just one more 4-12 (at best) season will be tough to get through for the players and fans.