DrDawkinstein

Oh lord, save the dramatics. We're only talking about opinions regarding a hypothetical NFL draft situation. Not conflating science/fact with opinion.

And for what it's worth, the NFL has mandated that direct employees (coaches, trainers, etc) be vaccinated. They just can't mandate the players thanks to the NFLPA, or else they absolutely would to protect the season/league/product.

Science and logic arent at play here. Only NFLPA negotiating.

Yes you can. We all make choices every day where there is a good or bad option. Choices have consequences. Choose to get the vaccine and maybe deal with some perceived consequence of 5G chips or something. Choose not to get the vaccine and get ostracized for not caring about public health. Nah, it's pretty much his answer. Maybe PR helped him craft what he should say, but if he were vaccinated, he would say it like the rest of team leadership. Looks like we're seeing why McD went so far as to say he is concerned with our team vax rate and what it will mean for activities.

They are by definition bad team mates if they are putting their pErSoNaL cHoIcE above ensuring the team can resume normal activities AND putting other players at health risk. They are putting themselves ahead of what is best for the team. Therefore, bad team mates.

Why arent those players who are publicly questioning it seen as bad team mates as Josh would be for saying he is vaccinated? Arent they throwing the vaccinated players under the bus? The same players who are doing the minimal needed to ensure team activities and player safety? Josh, and/or anyone else, should be countering that with the example and influence to get vaccinated. Even more so publicly, on the off chance they influence some fans and help us get back to normal attendance quicker. What could the dynamics inside the team be that would prevent him from confirming he's vaccinated just like McD did? He's going to hurt an anti-vaxxers feelings? Is that really where we are with this crap? So he is placating bad team mates. How is that being a good leader?

Weak leadership by Josh on this. Especially when you have team activities at stake. Not to mention, you know, public health. He should be leading by example on this one like Wilson and Mahommes. Ah, I see. There is big debate about whether or not old school message board posting is social media. Probably fit for another thread OTW, so I wont get into it here.

Interpreting an answer from an in-person press conference is social media now? Still not following.

https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-qb-russell-wilson-ciara-to-host-hour-long-covid-19-vaccination-special https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/21/kansas-city-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-andy-reid-covid-19-vaccinations/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/20/patrick-mahomes-says-he-got-vaccinated-protect-health-his-baby-daughter/

An in-person press conference is social media now?

Except we all know that "not answering" IS in fact answering that you havent been vaccinated yet. Otherwise, he, like McD and the Pegulas and everyone else, would just come out and say he has been vaccinated because it isnt a big deal to those of us who get vaccinated. It's like "pleading the 5th". Sure, you havent technically answered, but we all know what that means.

He already sounds like a married man. 🤣

Disagree. lol Let me just save you guys a lot of future typing. Even with examples of other teams, and player comparisons, I still would have been happy drafting ETN. And don't get me wrong. I'm happy we went DE/DE/OT/OT and addressed the trenches early and often. Pretty much my dream draft. I wouldn't necessarily change the draft even if I could (although the idea of ETN and still landing Basham is intriguing, but not sure what would be possible depending on what Beane would have had to trade away to move up). My only argument is that I think ETN could have been a good add, and helped this offense improve over where it was in 2020. And nothing is going to change my mind on that opinion of a what-if.

I'm not comparing ETN to CEH in KC's offense. Or their freak injury streak that dismantled their OL. Which, btw, Beane is far more ready for with his OL depth. I'm comparing to the 2020 Bills. I'm comparing him to what we've seen out of Singletary and Moss in the Bills' offense. And I see major room for improvement over those guys. Moss still has some potential, but I'm just about done with Singletary.

Classic Badol. When confronted with an alternative argument, ignore the details completely and double-down on the already accepted point you are unnecessarily reiterating in order to feel "right". You could make your RB/Dorsett/Super Bowl argument about ANY position besides QB. Because it's vague and nonsensical and cant really be proven in a team game. It doesnt mean teams shouldn't be trying to improve other positions, especially when they already have a loaded roster at pretty much every other spot. Nor does it mean those other positions/draft picks/FAs didnt help put a team over the top. None of what you are saying changes the fact that ETN is a major upgrade over our current RBs. And by making a major upgrade and adding an offensive weapon, it would help this team take another step forward. You could make your same Dorsett argument for WR, but look at how much adding Diggs has helped our offense. And look at what we had to spend to get him. ETN could have been a huge addition to this offense and could have helped us take a step forward. And would have been worth it in this window we are currently in. No amount of arguing, or emojis will change that. It's fine if you want to say you don't think so, but it certainly isnt fact or hard set in any rule book.

We arent talking about "organization changing RBs". There are no such thing. We already have our organization changing GM, and organization changing HC, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, our organization changing QB. The skill players we surround him with just help make us that much more dangerous in an Offensive league. Especially a pass-catching RB like ETN. And expecially when the rest of our Offense is already built. You write all these posts like folks are arguing ETN is some savior who is going to lift the Bills out of the dungeon. Nah, son. He's the cherry on top that helps take us from AFC Championship game level to Super Bowl level. Again, you are still arguing from the perspective of the 20 year drought. Need to put all those Paxton Lynches behind you and get with the Process. Stay humble, stay hungry. 😘

If ETN ends up a McCaffery talent, added to THIS offense, then we win at least 1 (if not 2) Super Bowls. And when his 5 years are up, we let him walk and draft another RB high. While folks are right to hold the general rule of "dont draft a RB in the 1st", that is more true for regular or even losing teams like we have been in the past. The situation changes for a winning team that has most of the rest of their roster in place. When you have pretty much everything else set, or can address it elsewhere, getting into a cycle of drafting a top-talent RB in the 1st every 5 years isn't the worst place to be.

Besides the reports from that Thursday night that Beane had been trying to get up ahead of the Jags (who drafted ETN)... ETN with this RB class was the only one worth trading up for. After ETN (and I guess Harris) there was a steep drop off in RB talent. Whereas the DE class was deep, but flat. Meaning, all of the guys taken in the first 2 rounds were about equally rated. No reason to try to spend extra capital to get a guy at #19, when you can get equal talent at #30 and #61. Especially a non-producer like Paye. ETN is a special Offensive weapon and a huge upgrade over what we have at RB. They tried to make their move on a playmaker, but when the price was too high, they were happy to sit back at #30 and take the best DE who fell to them. Absolutely. Addison should have done what Hughes did to Wilson in the Seahawks game and just stayed in front of him to disrupt the play.

OP, go to bed!

ETN was 100% absolutely the 1st round target they were trying to trade up for. However, unlike past regimes, they did not fall too in love with a skills player and talk themselves into overpaying in a trade-up. They set their values and stuck to them, and were happy to stay put and go with their fallback option at #30. The fact they didnt take any other RBs does not prove they weren't looking at a RB at all. It's more logical to assume they saw ETN as the obvious higher-tier upgrade over our current RBs, but did not see any of the other remaining RBs that way. I'm happy with our picks. Love that we double-dipped at both DE and OT. Can't have too many of those guys. Can't wait to see how Basham does. Really interesting to see that even the FO thought it "was crazy" (great reference) to pick DEs back-to-back like that. And the jokes about all the size, and taking the tallest guys on the board. Shows that it wasn't necessarily by design as some master plan, but just the way the boards worked out. For a PR, fluff piece, this was still a decent behind-the-scenes look. Go Bills!

Upon further review, it would seem that "Ouch" later became "Twist My Arm". What ya think?

Correct. Fully recorded as tracks but left off the album. Johnny Fay has confirmed they have at least 44 Masters unreleased, possibly 68.

Alright, I made it through the entire EP. IMO, I can safely say this is not a release of some garbage that got cut for a reason. They are all top-notch Road Apples-era Hip tracks. I'm almost upset that they withheld them from the public for so long. I'm trying to imagine how Road Apples would have been viewed if they had included these tracks and made it an 18 song double album. Truly an epic masterpiece for sure. RIP Gord

Man, this is all kinda mind blowing. These tracks from 1990 hold up better than some of the stuff they DID release at the same time. Maybe that's why they got cut. They were ahead of their time. I've read that if you pay close attention, you can pick up some lyrics in Ouch that Gord later modified and re-used for other songs that were released. I'll have to take a deep dive into it tonight after I "get my mind right".