DrDawkinstein

Yes, exactly. It was a little section at the bottom of each post. Some message boards still have them. You've been around here long enough that I think we still had them in 2009.

Damn I wish this board still allowed Signatures for posts. This is classic. This is "driving a BMW and having high-level meetings" classic.

"Tested IQ" take

Soooo is this not a complete and utter disaster anymore? Never was.

Ture, but none of that stuff involved police intervention or was at any scale close to the stories surrounding Josh, and Josh's level of celebrity. Russ Brandon got a little handsy with some Chip Strip bartenders a couple times. Such a smaller story than what we're dealing with here. There's just nothing comparable to this.

What time is practice/will we know Diggs is there or not?

Do you even read this? It's the same story everyone tells. They all trust their source with their life. I heard it from my sister. I trust her and she would never lie to me, but it doesnt mean she really knows anything about it. She doesnt. But everyone up there was SUPER EXCITED to spread it. edit: The idea that Josh could have so much paparzzi following him last offseason, and with social media, and the fact that ANY sports media would jump all over this story, but somehow EVERYONE has managed to keep it a secret but yet EVERYONE still "knows" it, should be enough to prove it's total BS. ESPN would be all over this. And with so many people talking about it, we can be sure more than one sports jounalist has dug into it. But we have nothing real presented so far. Cmon yall.

It's the same thing 100,000 other bored Buffalonians were spreading all offseason. There's even like a 100page thread on it in OTW. No evidence, no real story. Just a lot of people repeating the same rumor to the point that everyone has backed each other up so now it's accepted as fact. Kinda like the twitter/news cycle. Politician says something false, someone tweets it, politician uses that tweet to prove their original statement was true.

Cam writing >>>>

Because every bored, distraught fan in Buffalo's worst offseason wanted to spread the rumor? So now it's "pretty much accepted"? Cmon man.

Fair point in general, but I just dont see what he has done as that bad. And there is a huge difference between his intention being "my own stats" vs "I want the team to win". Honestly, what has he done? Been a wiener is about it. Voiced his issues, missed a "practice"... what else? Even in Minnesota. He isnt committing crimes or quitting on his team (as a matter of fact, quite the opposite). And frankly, being right does kinda excuse the low level dissatisfaction he has shown. He wants to win, he sees that the team wont win on the track they are currently on, he's trying to get them on the right track. The horror. You can say it isnt the best tactic, and I wont argue that logic. But it's far from the worst, and his intention is winning, and he is right in his football philosophy. 🤷‍♂️ Just doesnt seem like it should be enough for fans to turn on him like they are. Or besmirch him like they do in Minn. Too much vitriol for a guy who is out there to win.

Decent list. The bold is probably my biggest issue with Dorsey. The Offense was just so janky last year. There was a glaring lack of cohesiveness and just basic football 101 when it was needed most. Way too often the Bills would be up 10-13 points with like 4-5min left. Not a huge, comfortable lead, but enough if you call one more drive correctly. And instead of draining the clock, it was deep shot, deep shot, sack, punt, and give the ball back with 4:30 left, now "only" up 10-13 points and set the other team up perfectly to comeback. He just didnt seem to sense or be able to control the rhythm of the game. I feel his personality and core energy is just to frenetic to effectively lead our guys, especially Josh who can quickly become "sugar rush Josh". All that said, I do believe it can be improved with experience and hope/expect to see some improvements this year. But if they are still all over the map then it's time to move on. We're wasting too much time.

You beat me to being the first to mention Harbaugh. He is definitely on the list. I'm not as sold on McVay, but I get why you put him on your list. I think mine would be: Reid Belichick Harbaugh Shanahan Honorable Mention: Pete Carroll

Your Vikings fan is wrong about is own team. Diggs' unhappiness was due to the Vikings adopting an outdated run-first offense in a pass-centric league. And he was right. And all of those coaches were fired shortly after he was traded and they hired a new school, offensive-based, passing coach.

Diggs was there and will be there. He skipped out on 1 minicamp practice (so far). McD completely mishandled discussing it with the press. Bickering Bills. Super Bowl.

Tested* IQ

The first 2 are not meltdowns. Although we could probably nitpick through that Texans game. The amount of non-communication and non-coaching that lead to the 13 seconds loss is a coaching meltdown. Allowing your team to show up and play so uninvested and disinterested is a coaching meltdown. While I understand, and even defended all the reasons, for the team to be exhausted in that Cincy game, it is still a coaching failure. As was the way the team was playing during the last 2/3rds of last season. Skating by on talent, in spite of subpar coaching.

This is really all I'm saying. Thank you. Considering that's where he started his career, the analogy aint half bad...

Same amount of Super Bowls Similar MO of melting down in the playoffs. No comparison is 1:1. You either understand the point I was using Lewis to (loosely) illustrate, or you end up on @Einstein's homer list!

The point is more that the 13 seconds debacle is unacceptable and could have/should have gotten him fired.

I mean, it was just an example to illustrate what sticking with a "good" coach will get you. There are probably better examples, and absolutely plenty of them. Its a common mistake. Will the Bills make it as well?

The difference there is Josh Allen vs Andy Dalton. I'd say it would be even worse to not win a Champ with Josh Allen vs what Marvin Lewis was able to get out of Dalton. But single screenshots aside, Lewis was a great, defense-based, culture coach who players loved, but could never win in the playoffs. Starting to sound more and more familiar.

I was in the threads after the Cincy playoff game listing ALL the reasons this team showed up exhausted and flat. It was even far more than just those injuries too. I get it. But the Bills were in trouble well before either of those. It was really since the Bye week. Not sure what happened at Josh's Halloween party (fire up another rumor mill!), but we went from motivated world-destroyers playing like our heads were on fire, to a bunch of guys just going through the motions. Sure, we won another 8 games or whatever. But barely. And they were mostly stinkers. I remember week after week, finishing the game with a win, but everyone feeling like it was a loss and wtf are we even doing out there, thank God we are so talented to push us to a win. THAT is a failure in coaching. Week after week of bad gameplans, no adjustments, and no corrections to mistakes players were making. Still won a lot, but in spite of coaching.

I think the evidence is in him having to take over the Defense. Yes his seat is warm. Yes this is make or break for McD. 13 seconds is COMPLETELY on him. I dont care about what Levi Wallace said or anything else. The Head Coach failed to bring the team together during the MULTIPLE time outs and get the football 101 gameplan together. Last year, we were on a down slide from the Bye week, and McD never got a fire lit under the team. I'm not sure he is even CAPABLE of lighting fires under guys.