DrDawkinstein
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i wouldnt call it a "trick" since they arent promising to renegotiate. that statement is merely saying, "if you want to have any chance at a new contract, since we hold 99% of the chips here, come to camp and we'll THINK about it"
going back to my point about year-to-year negotiating. it cant happen. and all Peters/Parker are doing is backing the team into a corner to prove that it wont. so fine, theyre not. now what? show up to work.
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No one said you should feel sorry for him. It is people on your side of this calling him a greedy lazy bastard who should care more about the team than the financial security of his family. The only point I am making, that you still haven't addressed, is that he has just as much right to getting paid as much as he can for his services as you do. He doesn't play for a "team", he works for an employer, a business. It is no more his responsibility to take less pay than he is worth in the market than it is your responsibility to take a pay cut for the good of your employer/team. Maybe anyone who aspires to be more than a Joe Schmo is a fat greedy bastard to you but to those of us who are not socialist commies, I think he should get paid what he is worth.
If you want to end this arguement, just tell me how many times you have offered to take significantly less pay for the same job for the good of the "team". Peters is no different from any other player when it comes to securing the highest pay for his services. If you don't like it, go watch an intramural bowling league where they play for the pure love of the game...and beer.
ok, so in that line of thinking, we will renegotiate this year and sign him to a blockbuster deal. but IF and when he doesnt make the pro-bowl, then what? we get to renegotiate his contract and take him back down to the piddly $3million/year? so why bother signing a long term contract. lets just renegotiate EVERYONE based on their last season of play. oh wait, thats a ridiculous notion.
this is the same argument that has been going on since this new CBA went into place. this is NOT a year-by-year renegotiation plan. he signed a 5 year deal. he and his agent were too stupid to put in any clauses about Pro-Bowls and position changes for bonuses. he has completed TWO out of FIVE years of that deal, and now wants a new one?
tough sh--
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Comparing these players is not easy. One player is willing to play this season to show his worth to the NFL in hopes of a big free agent payday. One player proved his worth last year as an all-pro, all-NFL selection. The Bills' "brain trust" has decided that the one most needed and worthy to be paid is Evans. Though very good, Evans is not elite at his position in the league.
i think their decision has more to do with years remaining on the current contracts, than it does who they think is "worthy" talent.
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Is it really necessary for me to link to every derogatory post about Peters on this board? Do a search on "Peters" and "greedy" or "fat-ass" for that matter.
The team has never unequivocally said they will renegotiate his contract if he comes in to camp and I don't understand why you keep citing them as having said done so. In reference to same, they have said that they expect him to live up to the commitment he made two years ago. As for renegotiating, they have said "never say never". How do you read "never say never" and hear "the team will give him a new contract if he just shows up to camp".
Rather than calling it an assumption, please explain to me from a practical standpoint, why the issue isn't the millions more that Peters wants, its his presence at camp. Just take us through your logic. Millions and millions = no problemo but
holdout = lose pro bowl left tackle.
Assumption, yes, a damn good one. While your assumption, that the team would easily and swiftly renegotiate his contract despite the extra millions it would cost if he just came to camp and negotiated here rather than on the phone is just silly.
ok, fair enough. your have made good and valid points, no doubt. but how about this:
if you come to camp, then there is a chance we will renegotiate
if you DONT come to camp, then there is NO chance we renegotiate
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id take Chicago's next 2 first rounders for him... think of how stacked our Defensive Backfield would be!!!!!
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Get Direct TV already, its all about the HD buddy, football should only be watched in 1080 anyway
all sports for that matter. once you go HD, youll wonder how you made it this long watching sports over a regular service.
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of course some ugly broad is upset about it
googled Ms. Slann. I guess she doesnt want any competition...
IN THE PIE EATING CONTEST! HEY-OHHHH!
ill be here all week folks (but seriously, thats her)
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What if I start 22 rookies? I can't lose 22 games!
lol!
no, but i bet those 16 losses would be so bad, it would feel like 22
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i agree bill. the LT position is very important. and we need to re-sign him and make him happy and lock him up.
i just wish he'd show up. and i dont blame the bills for doing nothing until he does.
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I respectfully disagree Doctor.
Speaking very gererally, once a Bullalo Bill hits free agency, he is gone (if he is any good). A notable exception was Ruben Brown, who failed to get the offers he expected. Ostroski too, but he was terrible.
Many examples of the Bills losing ufas come to mind.....T. Smith, Burress, Winfield, and of course Clements.
The time to sign these guys is before they become ufas. Fo instance, do you really think that if the Bills fail to reach a deal with Evans this year, he will remain in Buffalo? Maybe so, but I very strongly doubt it.
I know....they already did this with Peters. The problem is that his salary is still WAY below market value, and less than two of his fellow linemen.That is ridiculous.
I will give you this....if Peters is unwilling to accept a deal that is somewhat better than the one signed by Dockery, I blame him. Not his agent......him personally.
Jmo.
you actually DONT disagree because i NEVER said we should let him hit free agency. thats ridiculous, and ive already stated numerous times in this thread that i think he DESERVES more money either this year or next year. both of those time frames are WELL BEFORE his current contract expires. of course i want the bills to re-sign those guys before their contracts expire.
my point is that you show young players that if they are willing to show up and work hard (i guess that is too much to ask from talented athletes nowadays) THEN we will be more than happy to renegotiate.
but if you pull baby games, you can sit home and rot.
that is all. there is nothing more to what i am saying than that.
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I suppose we will never know, but I suspect that Ralph simply put his foot down and refused to negotiate. I don't think that "holdong the line" would be a good thinmg in this sense.
Here's to hoping that I am wrong.
i love that it is common knowledge that he has an agent who has his players hold out and sit home and you automatically find a way to blame ralph.
why WOULD he negotiate with them when they pull those tactics?
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look, i dont think anyone is saying that Peters shouldnt get more money (either now or next year). but its VERY important for the Bills FO to not cave at this point. especially to these bush league tactics.
we have Whitner, Simpson, McKelvin, Poz, Lynch, Edwards, Hardy, etc that will be watching and learning. They will all have renegotiations coming up in the next few years. If the Bills were to crumble and send Peters a check, how many players do you think would be in camp next year? Our offense will be Losman and Jackson and Reed...
The one thing Peters IS doing for the team is allowing himself to become an example for our youngsters of how NOT to negotiate in this league.
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Gay rednecks!
with tiny tiny manhoods
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dont Stroud and McCargo play the same spot? so if McCargo were to break into the starters, that would mean Stroud is sent to 2nd string.
or am i wrong there?
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Yes, they are entirely different. Jason Peters has already earned more than most police officers will ever earn in their entire lives. Fair? Of course not, but only a few humans are capable of playing LT in the NFL.
i never said it wasnt fair. the point is that he is not going to struggle to survive if he ONLY makes $3.5million this year.
Remember Mike Gandy? He is due to make more than Peters this year. Do you think that Gandy is even almost as good as Peters? It isn't close.Completely irrelevant to this discussion. no one is saying Jason doesnt deserve more money, but if he wants to even have discussions about it, he needs to be at work.
Ralph needs to give this great player a raise. if he wants to play hard ball, he should have done so with one of his defensive backs, not one of the best LTs in the NFL.wow, you managed to get a dig in about DBs. weird. and i guess letting them walk instead of overpaying for a CB isnt playing hardball? whats your point there? that we shouldve played hardball and sunk $100million of cap room into ONE corner back?
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I care so much I'm willing to go on a message board and rip into them on why they "suck" and what I think they need to do to "not suck".
how incredibly noble of you...
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We aren't talking about a High School team here. This is what they do for a living, this is how they feed their families. I bet your employer would be more profitable if you took a 50% pay cut. Any chance you will put your "team" first and give back half your paycheck? These guys aren't being any more selfish than any of us are when we try to get the best pay we can get for the work we do.
what family has trouble eating on $3.5million a year?
we're not talking about the difference between $60k or $30k a year. Show up, make your MULTI-MILLIONS and re-negotiate next year to a $7million/year contract.
Holding out and sacrificing the rest of your team for another $3million dollars is in no way like Joe Shmoe trying to get a 5% raise to go from $50k to $52,500.
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just sittin at home, rackin up the fines, not helping his team...
im over it. lets move on. at least we didnt even waste a draft pick on him (let alone the 4th in the draft)
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Im not one of those guys who pretends he doenst secretly wish people get hurt...Ill openly admit that all i want is for tom brady to have a career ending injury ASAP
agreed.
while i find it despicable that some of our own "fans" would wish harm to a Bill... i have no problem admitting that after every game, i wish the patriot's plane would crash.
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unlike the others on the board, I applaud you for this. I think it is a funny idea. I was thinking about getting a Ron Mexico jersey, but now that i live in the atlanta area, I won't be doing that. Another one worth doing is, getting a number 11 Redskins jersey with Falco on the back. Or a Cleveland Indians 99 that says Wild Thing.
the league put a ban on the name Mexico going onto jerseys almost immediately after the news broke. not saying you still couldnt get one made but...
if you want a fun shirt to wear around town, try this one
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people need to realize this entire thing is less about moving a team there as it is expanding the fan base there.
the Bills are not moving to toronto. but if we could get some people interested in coming down to Buffalo for the games, then we're golden.
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this is real, folks
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while i can certainly appreciate your attempt at humor...
no!
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this is fake about jasonpeters right?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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or one undrafted free agent...
(ok, now im just being argumentative
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