Ghost of BiB

I thought the "Movin' on Up" thread was in the OT forum.

So, not like it's been brought up, or anything... Does a person who makes three spot welds 100 times per day deserve to make $50 per hour plus benefits PLUS pension? That's a simple yes or no, kids.

Are you just begging for a Dev/Null here? Yes, anyone of us would have enjoyed teaching the hot, tight Thrall how to kiss, but he's now going to come back with why Piddard is better because some female thing with no body made coffee one day and disappeared into a really cool hologram.

Isn't it spelled "colours" out there? At least you still eat meat. Brought some of that "Texas" with you. I bet you say "Y'all" at the bar just to impress people. It's only taken two years to fix your scanner...lazy B word. You could get a new one for 60 bucks.

You have a cube? Awesome. I have a divider with a flush valve.

So, you aren't working too hard either. Fix your web cam yet?

Fishing...I was looking for something to do Friday.

So, does a guy who makes three identical spot welds 100 times per day deserve $50 per hour plus benefits? Look up the labor costs in producing an American made car. The re-look why people end up getting "thrown out on the street". Plenty of airline pilots, cabin crew and skilled aviation mechanics take cuts to keep their bread and butter afloat. Better to make some money, than none. But, the spot welder has rights.

There also seems to be this idea, that the White House sent some package to Congress with "Intell" or what ever any wants to call it, and that is all anyone went by. If you don't think that certain Senators and Congressman are wired in, and have their own contacts I have a bridge over the Potomac for sale. Were it me, and I were a Garden Variety member of the opposing party, I'd take whatever was handed to me, and pull my strings to contacts in the ops and intell community to get their take. The Pentagon is 5 minutes by Metro from the Capitol. I would consider it irresponsible for a serious Senator or Congressman not to do so. But, let's just simply make this political argument, regardless of the real world. And hoot and holler and say "Gotcha!" That's important.

I honestly don't care much, nor do much for the Holidays anymore, but I was sending this to a friend. If you haven't already made your cranberries, consider. Cranberry Relish 1/4 tsp fresh grated nutmeg 1/4 tsp fresh grated cinnamon 1/8 tsp fresh ground cloves 1/8 tsp fresh ground cardamon seed 1/8 tsp fresh grated ginger (add at end) 3/8 cup pineapple juice 3/8 cup orange juice 2/3 cup raw sugar 12 oz bag fresh cranberries 1/4 cup golden raisins 1/2 cup chopped, fresh pecans In a saucepan, combine juices, sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamon, and cloves. Cook over medium heat, until sugar dissolves. Add one tbsp of hot water. Add cranberries and raisins. Bring to a boil, reduce heat, and simmer 3-4 minutes until cranberries just pop. Remove from heat, stir in nuts and ginger. Let cool, Refrigerate, sealed overnight before serving. Makes about 3 cups. Easy, but good. There's nothing uglier than that jelly looking stuff with the can marks in it.

I'll pick on you, if it makes you feel better. Anyone need a good cranberry sauce recipe?

There's a mainstream? Wow. Which way is the wind blowing today? And Petrino? Blow me.

You might as well have your bourbon now, because shopping is going to fierce up pretty soon, Pooj. Working as defined in the Terrell Owens arbitration agreement? I was at my place of duty this morning, at 7:30, and my highest level of activity today was emailing back and forth with the really hot blonde in budgeting.

Water's for washin' Dickel's for drinkin'

Maker's Mark. Was on sale. Knobb Creek is definitely Holiday category, though. Ever try "Eagle Rare"? 101 proof Kentucky sour mash, and smooth. Not easy to find, though...and not all that expensive.

Does a guy who makes three spot welds on a chassis 100 times a day deserve $50 per hour plus benefits?

We got thrown out at noon. I really wanted to work, too. Really. I hate being forced into a bourbon and soda at 12:30.

What a kitty. Wonder if it really was "Bush" or was some paper provided by some staff person with suggested courses of action, and it falls into "The Media Zone".

Better to be a righteous prick than an ordinary prick. What you're not getting, is that I'm right too. Like I said, any time one treads into these kinds of areas, everyone with a stake can take the exact same thing and make their argument. I'm simply trying to be practical about all of it, in my opinions. I'm definitely not a "party hack", anyone who reads my crap and drivel should be aware of that. My opinions are mine, not the Bush administration's, the Republican nor the Democratic parties. I do get to see some of the stuff that goes on, and sometimes shake my head as to how it gets presented. No small wonder everyone is confused.

Yeah, the fact that you're being a prick. Pick whatever. They are all probably right, to one degree or another.

My whole point is that this isn't as cut and dried, IMO, as people would have us believe. Very few things in ANY business actually are. I wasn't being snippy about a lack of understanding. There seems to be some issue over certain people not being given access to certain types of raw data, and working papers. Does anyone have any idea of how much confusion that would cause? If people who spend careers trying to digest this stuff often get conflicted, what makes Senator X an expert? PS, once again, I'm not saying for or against, I'm simply trying to point out that this is a complicated process. Democrats will see what they want, Republicans will see what they want. Neither and both of which could be true or not true.

Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you. I personally think it's entirely possible that that many people in Congress saw different versions of basically the same things, some more sanitized than others. Sanitized does NOT equal deception. The basic information is there, the how and where the information came from is what is often closely guarded, to protect sources. I don't know any of the facts. I DO know that this stuff is never "cut and dried". What exactly does "Congress" mean? Everyone? Or, certain members with the appropriate postions? Also take into account that there is a darn good chance that plenty of "Congress" had no idea WTF they were looking at, anyway.

No, I'm not saying that at all. I was commenting on the level of access everyone might have. I have no idea what they might have seen. I'm certain that there are full time Staffers over there that have higher levels of access than the politicians. For all I know, there's things out there that the President hasn't seen. WTF knows? All the way across the board, I don't think anyone actually knows exactly who saw what when. There were and are a lot of moving pieces, and some of them are contrary.

Be interesting to find out. From what I've seen, there's an average of about 30% more material in a TS-SCI SAP version of something than there is in the more generic "Secret" versions probably given to Congress at large. Even if certain members are basically cleared to receive a certain level of material, they still have to be evaluated for "need to know" and "read in" to certain programs. There are obvious reasons for keeping access to certain things to the minimum amount of people required to do whatever. Also, certain information released to one or two people is in effect, politically useless - as they can't share any of it as reasons for any of their ideas or arguments for or against anything.