Which folks are you speaking of? Hard to tell if you are instigating or discussing. "Historical". We've already had the Crusader caveats, and we've also discussed Saladin. I myself brought up the point that Mohammed was more a general, than a prophet.
Problem is now, Buckwheat, that even though it was true in the past, it's much more true now that ideology is intertwined with a global economy, from the Islamic perspective. 800 years ago, or whatever, we didn't differentiate, now we do - they don't. You understand the history of "secular"? I don't either, but it happened. Western society is at a disadvantage, from the ideological albeit also the informational strategic standpoint. I see that everytime people here slam Christianity. You don't think religion is a tool to winning? It has been, for 4,000 years. Why give up a power running game for a deep pass attack with a fragmented team?