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Didn't make it because of the 3-4 did he? Didn't they mostly switch back to the 4-3? And to reiterate, I am doubting the point that some of you make that this staff is soooo great because they don't choose players simply because they fit a scheme. Looking at the drafts over the last 2 years they do indeed choose players simply because they fit a particular scheme. They then ditch the scheme after if becomes an obvious abject failure. You could make the same statement about QBs and directors of college scouting.

So now we are supposed to give them credit because after announcing they were going to the 3-4, leading to the retirement of Aaron Schobel, they switched back after a disastrous opening month?? :wallbash: The players we had weren't world beaters but why create more holes when you already have more holes than you can fill? One thing that pisses me off is the one really good player we had, Kyle Williams, is a 4-3 DT. He is not a 3-4 NT. Why take him out of the system that suites him?

Bryant McKinnie. He was available, we had a need at left tackle, he played left tackle and was probably the safer pick. Yeah right, so that is why they went to a 3-4 even though the players they had were better suited for the 4-3.

So as long as they get their butt on the field for a few plays they aren't a bust? Whitner was a bust because we were in need of help on the defensive line. Nagata was their for the taking. He would have gotten his butt on the field so by your standards, he would not be a bust. But nooooooo, the Bills brain trust decided the best way to build a defense was from the safety position forward. That draft alone should have been enough to seal the fate of Marv, DJ and Modrak.

What was last year? A Buddy Nix draft or a Modrak draft?

Such as?? What am I missing on my Droid that is so great on the Iphone? Comparing apps with my sister or my co-worker hasn't convinced me I missing much of anything. What additional fee in necessary if you root the phone?

I don't hate the iPhone. I probably would have one myself but I didn't want to give up the Verizon network. When my contract is up in November, I will give the iPhone and Android based phones an even look. I looked a an Xoom but have decided to wait a few months for some more tablets to come out and hopefully bring the price down or a Xoom II to come out. It that doesn't happen, I'll compare the Xoom to the iPad 2 and probably end up with the iPad 2. I don't buy into your obvious bias however. This apps, apps, apps nonsense is overblown. I heard this when I bought my droid but found plenty of apps for my droid. I've only paid for one of them. I've compared apps with my sister's iPhone and a co-worker and found nothing they have that I can't get on the Droid with the exception of iTunes. I am confident that now that there is a real tablet for the Android market that more apps will be built for it, just as what happened with the phones. One real nice thing about the Android phones in you can root them and turn your phone into a WiFi hot spot for a tablet or PC. Can you do that with an iPhone? I have only 1 fart app left. I removed the rest to make room for the Charlie Sheen apps.

Fortunately he achieved the label of mediocre, unlike Maybin or McCargo who were just busts.

You are making his point.

And Spiller was sooooo helpful in 2010. Well err no, he didn't show much of anything. But we didn't need help anywhere else on this team. Surrrrre. Riiiiiiight.

Why switch at all? Lack of ability on the part of the coaching staff? Why not fit the scheme to the talent you have on hand?

Yeah and the switch from a 4-3 to something none of these players were suited for had nothing to do with that fall-off.

There is nothing in the article about the #6 pick in the 2008 draft being released.

How are they facing more financial liability than ever before? How do they intend to "grow the game"?

Wow did you ever miss the point of my post!

Mount Washington

Friggen Lonnie!

Well there is a pretty big difference between you and an NFL franchise owner. You are in competition with others and really can't get away with gouging the consumers. The NFL owners are really partners in a monopoly and can and will gouge the consumer. I am not going to feel sorry for them unless they open up their books to prove they are losing money. More ignorant? Maybe. Less deserving? How do you figure that? We fans pay to see them play. We don't pay to see the owners strut about their luxury booth and rake in huge profits.

How do you know the players got a 'sweetheart deal'. Without the owners opening their books you really have no basis for judgment. My initial reaction to this thread is that so many of you are so desperate to have football next year that you swallow the owners spin hook line and sinker. I'm tired of owners moving teams from Baltimore to Indy or from Cleveland to Baltimore claiming that they aren't making money but not opening their books to prove it. I'm tired of owners extorting money out of taxpayers for stadium deals without opening their books. I live in the Washington DC area where the owner has charged for admission to training camp, charged for parking at training camp, sued season ticket owners who have lost their jobs in the bad economy even though there is a decades long waiting list for seasons tickets, bought stale peanuts from a defunct airline and sold them at exorbitant prices, tried to humiliate a head coach into resigning so he wouldn't have to pay the contract he signed, just to name a few. I've been to Cowboys stadium where they are proud of the opulent fixtures, which don't need to be in a stadium, that drove costs to $1.2 billion. This issue is as much due to money grubbing owners like Snyder and Jones who don't want to treat the rest of the owners as partners in for what is basically a monopoly as the players and I am sick of people just taking the owners side simply because if the players cave in, we will have football in the fall.

I don't feel bad for the players. I simply can't feel any sympathy for owners like Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones like you apparently do. The owners aren't a bunch of modern day Robin Hoods that are stealing from the rich players to give to us poor schmucks. They are simply filthy rich schmucks trying to steal from less filthy rich schmucks to line their own pockets.

Nope, just saying that most of them probably aren't as well off as you make them out to be and most of them, just like your typical 22-25 year old, don't plan ahead for a future without football.

Sounds good on paper but how much of the 1.5-2.0 mil to they actually pocket? How much goes to the government in taxes? How much goes to agents? How many of these guys learned anything useful in college to set them up for a real career?

Sounds good except that even if the owners keep the players in check, that still won't stop them from trying to squeeze every dollar they can out of the fans and lining their own pockets.

The average career of an NFL player is about 3 1/2 years. Some make absurd amounts of money but most are at the lower end of the pay scale and don't have much time to earn it.

Technically true but pretty irrelevant since we are talking about a US market.