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Who said that?

Now here's a news organization that absolutely nailed it! "Throwing bottles of bleach, ammonia, and Drano into a cart at his local grocery store, area man Troy Mitchell was reportedly stocking up on one of every cleaning product he could find Wednesday in case President Donald Trump announces it is a coronavirus cure."

Wakefield park in Annandale VA was closed. Might depend where you are in the state. Northern VA has more cases than much of the rest of the state.

Mortality rate is not the lone variant that should be considered. Hospitalization rates, intubation rates, availability of ventilators and all the expertise to run them, availability of adequate quantities of PPE so the system doesn't get overwhelmed are also factors that must be considered. From what I've read about Sweden, it is very different from the US. They have a higher number of single person households, which makes social distancing normal. A larger percentage of the workforce has jobs that can be performed by telework. The government has asked to people to socially distance and not travel which resulted in a 95% reduction in travel to some of their most popular vacation destinations. Even the way they deal with their elderly is different. From what I've heard, it isn't exactly life as normal. The argument being made is one of utilitarianism. It would be interesting to look at the crew of the USS Roosevelt and compare it to the NBA players and other studies cited in the link you provided.

Doesn't matter if I like it or not. Just pointing out your use of the language was poor.

One would think you could write a clear sentence. Guess not.

All the more reason why he shouldn't talk at the pressers. He sows confusion and makes his team look incompetent. He adds nothing of value. Is that a triple negative? Way to confuse matters even further.

You might think about that when you say injecting people with disinfectant is worth a try.

Yes but there are other treatments that could help but can't be reasonably tested because everyone wants hydroxychloroquine.

Given the way he lectures the media on how to ask questions, it appears he wants confrontation to placate his base. He provides quite a bit of mixed messaging and nutty ideas. Remember how he wanted to economy open by Easter with the pews in the churches packed shoulder to shoulder? I thought that was the most irresponsible thing a President has ever said but he topped that yesterday with the disinfectant injections.

But apparently injecting disinfectant is reasonable for a clinical trial. ?

No it wasn't me who said that. Yes I said I am afraid of shortages for people who use the drug for other conditions. How is that biased? And someone complaining about 30 million dosages being ordered when we don't know with certainty how well it will work on Covid-19 probably has similar thoughts to mine.

No not at all. It has been proven effective on lupus and arthritis sufferers and they should get their medication. I have a problem when those people can't get their medication because there is a shortage of the drug because of something on which it has not been proven effective. Much of this shortage is because of hype on the part of Trump and Fox News. This hype crowds out space for other treatments to perform clinical trials.

That doesn't change the fact that the drug is unproven.

It is unproven that the drug is effective on Covid-19 and both of those drugs can lead to heart arrhythmia. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mayo-clinic-cardiologist-inexcusable-ignore-hydroxychloroquine-side-effects-n1178776 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/family-new-york-woman-blames-hydroxychloroquine-combo-fatal-heart-attack-n1185451

They didn't have to twist anything. He sounded like a crackpot.

You continue to make any point, but that's on brand.

Again the trial I linked to showed a higher mortality rate for those on HCQ. Your endorsing poisoning people again.

Because we don't know what works.

Oh there have been quite a few who have said that. Doc especially. Do you still hold your anecdotal evidence as superior to the trial I cited?

I don't know but the constant mantra that it saved many lives and we can't wait for clinical trial should be abandoned by anyone reasonably sane.

According the the VA study I provided a link too, HCQ treated patients had more that twice the mortality rate as non-HCQ patients. That is a fact. You are providing anecdotal evidence. The people you cite may simply have improved on their own.

Just so I am clear, what do you mean by the part in bold print? Right. I provided a link to one, that you were too lazy to read and didn't confirm your spin. Whoops, my link didn't post. Sorry. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929253

Anecdotal evidence over a clinical trial? Tell me, if some doctor asked you to be part of a clinical trial where you might get injected with disinfectant, would your answer be "hell no, I don't want to run the risk of getting stuck with the placebo"?

How do you know this? According to a VA study, it is ineffective and resulted in a higher death rate. Are you sure it hasn't killed more people? https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929253