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Duh! How in anyone on this board supposed to know what somebody like Fauci was thinking? The drug won't be approved if it not shown to be effective in clinical trial. Whether she or you believe in the treatment or not doesn't matter.

Hmmm "In 2015, Trump's lawyer Alan Garten called Trump's legal entanglements "a natural part of doing business" in the U.S.[5][6] While litigation is indeed common in the real estate industry,[5] Trump has been involved in more legal cases than his fellow magnates Edward J. DeBartolo Jr., Donald Bren, Stephen M. Ross, Sam Zell, and Larry Silverstein combined.[7] Numerous legal matters and investigations occurred during and after Trump's presidency, some being of historical import." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump Not much fuss until... Riiiight.

He wasn't pointing our corruption. He was pointing out hypocrisy.

What happens when you don't find the virus in the lab but do find it in the wet market?

It isn't at all clear to me that the police knew she was unarmed. She had a back pack and a large mob behind her who used instruments to break a reinforced window. Those instrements could easily be used as a weapon. I'm not a Biden fan but I will take his bad policy and the knowledge that our constitutional democracy will continue over Trump's bad policy and slippage into authoritarianism.

Better than convicted felon Trump's last run for president, with an insurrection, hundreds of his supporters in jail and facing 4 felonies himself.

Those FBI agents seemed incredibly polite.

With the possible exception of George Santos, I don't think I've seen anyone who lies more than Trump.

The article listed the DNA of several mammals and specifically the racoon dog, which is quite susceptible to SARS Cov-2. It said it found high concentrations of the virus in the same location as high concentrations of the racoon dog DNA and low concentrations of human DNA. Why would humans have brought it to that particular are of that particular market? Why not restaurants, bars, temples, grocery stores, malls... Why that particular area of that particular market?

I was opposed to suppression of the lab leak theory.

Oh, they are, but I've never seen anyone lie like Trump and so many who can't see it.

I don't simply "trust the experts". I listen to the experts who actually have studies to support their positions and then read those studies to try to see if I agree. on a related issue with SARS Cov-2, I've generally found the pro-vax side will provide links to studies and their analysis is backed by the study. The anti-vax side rarely provides links to studies and the studies they do provide are either poor quality or don't say what they think they say. Of course that is different than the origin of the virus. I don't know what to think about the origin. On the one hand, there is information like the Scientific American piece I shared. On the other hand, I always ask myself, of all the wet markets in China where a spillover might occur, why this market in this city that has this lab? Still, there is a non-zero chance to the spillover happening in that market and if you can't acknowledge that, perhaps you are too partisan. SARS Cov-2 doesn't have DNA.

Like you weren't doing the same with your Biden Leg Shot nonsense.

And there is a Wet Market that had a lot of virus and zoonotic spillovers of coronaviruses has happened in the past. Can you define "gain-of-function"?

My guess would be that the head of that lab claimed to have reviewed the genetic sequences of the samples they had and nothing matched the SARS Cov-2. They believed her and thought continuing to beat that dead horse would be racist. That is just a guess on my part. About as much evidence as it came for the lab.

I am not tribal on the matter and am offended that people try to force me into one tribe or the other. I don't like the silencing of the lab leak theory early on but nothing has been proven one way or the other. Your mind doesn't seem as "open" as you claim.

So what is your problem? I thought the article was quite fair. It didn't prove the wet market theory and was open about that but you have no proof of the lab leak theory. I thought these two parts were farily persuasive “It's not a ‘smoking raccoon dog,’ but it is pretty indicative that in exactly the same part of the market that our other analyses suggested we would find the animals, now we found them in that exact spot—with the virus and without, importantly, much human [DNA present],” and “This is not conclusive evidence that an animal was infected, but it's very consistent with that,” Crits-Christoph says. If the market were not the place where SARS-CoV-2 crossed from animals into people but instead the site of a superspreader event caused by people who were already infected, “you'd have to ask, Why there?” Crits-Christoph says. “If humans brought it there, why did they bring it to the place in Wuhan with the most stalls selling wild animals?” Your last sentence it too stupid for comment.

Kind of like the other 2 had about their beliefs?

I don't think there is conclusive evidence one way or the other. There is no smoking gun evidence for the lab leak theory. Here is a study supporting the market theory but it is certainly not conclusive. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-new-evidence-from-the-wuhan-market-tells-us-about-covids-origins1/ Even if you believe the lab leak theory, you should still be concerned about potential zoonotic jumps of viruses. How do you think every other pandemic in history was caused when the vast, vast majority of that time we didn't even know about viruses let alone experiment with them?

Trump was a scumbag lying conman even before he became a politician but you will believe whatever you want to believe.

Trump frequently suggests things are false that turn out to be true. Firing into crowds is not my philosophy.

Your man Trump seems fond of the leg shot. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-asked-shooting-migrants-crossing-border-legs/story?id=66003927 https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters

I read a Washington Post analysis of the sentences the Jan 6 defendants were receiving relative to defendants in other cases not involving Jan 6. Their analysis was that the Jan6 criminals were getting lighter sentences. If you can't provide contrary data, I'll tend to believe the Washington Post article. I haven't seen a single Jan 6 defendant who should be locked up forever. I can't disagree with your statement that "I’m not in favor of across the board pardons, but pardons/commutations on a case-by-case basis makes sense" but looking at Trump's use of the pardon/commutation authority, he didn't follow the protocol of previous administrations of relying on the Office of Pardon Authority. Instead, used it on well connected people, frequently people who worked for him or were related. Using that power to free people like Rod Blagojevich, Michael Milken, Joe Arpaio, Dinesh D'Souza, Clint Lorance, Bernard Kerik, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, George Papadopoulos and Charles Kushner hardly leaves the appearance than careful consideration was given to right a wrong. It appears more like favoritism and self promotion. Given his rhetoric on the campaign trail, I expect his consideration for the Jan 6 convicts will be similarly shallow, self serving, more resembling across the board pardons.

As I recall, she was with a mob that tried to break down a barricaded door. When that didn't work, they broke a window and she was the first person through the window. From the guard's perspective, it was reasonable to believe that she would just be the first of many, as was happening in other locations at the Capital. The Guard's life could have been at risk from this mob and he shot at the center of mass, as per training. Seems reasonable. Why did she go through a broken window when there was an armed guard pointing a gun at her on the other side?

I must disagree with you on this point. She has at least two people to blame, herself and Donald J Trump. If not for Trump's lies and urging people to come to the Capital, she would not have died on that day. To a lesser extent, we could include Fox News, OAN, Newsmax and others in the right wing echo chamber for giving legitimacy to Trump's lies instead of doing honest reporting.