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Faith is what conspiracy theorists rely on. In my case, its more like going with the odds. Conspiracies are difficult to keep hidden. The more people involved, the harder it is to hide. Look at Trump's conviction for falsification of business records, hush money payments to a porn star, catch and kill of news stories and creation of Fake news. That only involved 3 people (Donald Trump, David ***** and Michael Cohen) and they couldn't keep it quiet. This one would have to involve more than 3 people across multiple agencies. This one would have to involve the shooter and both the Secret Service and State Police counter sniper teams, both being 2 man teams. It just doesn't make sense.

If the FBI found that a Secret Service agent trolled for, found and groomed this nerd, I believe that agent would be charged with a crime and we would know about it. More likely, I think they will find that Trump's detail got to cozy with Trump. They stopped having his safety as their top priority. There was no reason for him to be on the stage with the problems starting before he got on the stage. After they went to protect him, there was no reason to stop and let hem get his shoes, or give a fist pump, when they didn't know whether or not there were other potential shooters in the area. They gave too much leeway to candidate Trump. Compare their actions to the Secret Service at the Reagan assassination attempt. Reagan's detail had one continuous motion to the car when shots were fired. With Congressional oversight, I don't see how secrecy of some conspiracy can be kept. There are just too many eyes on this.

I believe the FBI is performing the investigation. There should be some evidence either on a computer and/or cell phone from either the nerd or the "traitor". Somehow they corresponded. If they didn't, this is just a crazy conspiracy theory. Tell me, was Sandy Hook staged? Did some nut go into a school and shoot children or are the parents just "crisis actors"? Are you an Alex Jones fan?

I didn't admit you were correct. You have to provide some link, some actual evidence of someone in the Secret Service contacting and coordinating with this nerd. Without that cornerstone, this conspiracy you are peddling falls apart. I will keep bringing you back to that core issue over and over and over again.

The link YOU provided stated the same thing I stated. If there is a problem, it is with YOU providing unrelated links. What is it with you anyway? Is there some genetic defect in Magadonians where they have to dwell on some insignificant issue, get some lib to agree so you can say you "owned the lib"? This particular issue you are hung up on misses the point that I keep bringing you back to. You have to provide some link, some actual evidence of someone in the Secret Service contacting and coordinating with this nerd. Without that cornerstone, this conspiracy you are peddling falls apart. I will keep bringing you back to that core issue over and over and over again.

They denied previous requsts but there were no such requesta for this event. That is what I and your links said.

Do you realize the links you provided backed up what I said?

The Secret Service said they had turned down previous request but there were no requests for this event. Somehow you have to tie a Secret Service agent to the nerd. You haven't done that at all.

It couldn't be just one person. There were two counter sniper teams consisting of two people each. How does one traitor control those four people? Where is your proof of any of this? Rhetorical questions are not proof. I'm fine with multiple people being fired. Multiple people failed.

But crackpot conspiracy theorists are to be taken seriously? Why can't any of you produce some EVIDENCE?

If you can't identify the dots, your full of *****.

She is grossly incompetent but competent enough to organize this grand conspiracy and not get caught? Both can't be true. Regardless, it is nothing but speculation. I know that works when you are surrounded by fellow Trumptards but it doesn't work here. Where is the proof? What dots are you talking about?

YOU don't have the answers. I know part of MAGA is projection but I don't have to prove anything. Crazy conspiracy theories are not evidence. Where is the proof? So what are you saying now? Is Cheatle part of the grand conspiracy?

So you figured out that the agent in charge is the traitor? Were the Secret Service snipers in on the plot too? Do you have any evidence? The nerd only voted once, in the 2022 midterms, and never switched parties. So what is the point of this claim? And you think my theory is convoluted... Why would the leftists be happy with a live Trump and a dead zealot? You need to start thinking rationally.

Still doesn't make sense. A single Secret Service agent couldn't clear a path for a sniper. Also the POS nerd was a republican. Facts Suck for you.

The POS you mentioned is a Republican. Now the conspiracy involves the entire Secret Service? Keep getting more convoluted and stupid.

CNN and Washington Post now have it as breaking news.

I never said otherwise. However, those were as you stated "provocateurs". Where is the evidence that this nerd was influenced by those provocateurs? He was a Republican and his house had Pro Trump signs in the yard. Maybe that is all your news sources feed you. While I have heard comparisons to Hitler, including from his running mate, I see that as extreme. For the most part, the criticism I've heard is a wannabe authoritarian. That description fits. He speaks glowingly of Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un and Vikctor Orban. I never hear him talking positively about democracy stalwarts like Lincoln, Churchill or Reagan. 40 of the 44 people he appointed to high government positions and his own Vice President did not back his current run for office. Being anti-Trump is not radical and there is no evidence that this nerd was affected by that. My initial statements were meant to get you to understand that the very basic parts to make your conspiracy make sense were to far fetched to be rational. Apparently, you couldn't even manage that. Your theory that this nerd was recruited and groomed without leaving any evidence is looney tunes bat ***** crazy. I'm not sure why you believe I think "the left is pure". I'm a registered Republican. I've voted for Democrats once for President and once for Senator, having voted in every election since 1980. I just recognize Trump for the conman crooked threat to our Republic that he is.

I think there is a 0% chance that a traitor in the Secret Service could reach out to this nerd, not have reached out to others and failed, not have his cover blown by some of those failures and gotten away with it. Your still pushing that Dems calling Trump Hitler crap? The nerd was a registered Republican. His house had pro-Trump signs in the lawn. He researched Biden as well. Looks more like he was a nut who took advantage of a target of opportunity.

No, my argument is that it is difficult to believe that a traitor in the Secret Service would have recruited and groomed that nerd, who didn't have the credibility to pull off a successful assassination, without leaving some sort of a trail. Why even look for a disgruntled kid? Wouldn't you look for something like a former sniper from the military? You know, someone with the credibility to actually do the job?

I think my argument that you keep dodging is why would a Secret Service traitor recruit that nerd? How would he go about finding that nerd? Wouldn't a traitor in the Secret Service look for somebody with the skillset to actually accomplish the mission? That nerd certainly didn't have the cred.

Don't be silly. That isn't what Fox, OAN or Newsmax does. They ask questions and feed conspiracy theories.

I don't know that they peddled anything from the link you provided. They reported the FBI said the shooter acted alone. They reported that two people at the University of Colorado thought three weapons were fired, but provided no data to back up this statement. Then CNN seemed to pivot back to a single shooter. All this was 5 days ago when the information was pretty raw. I guess I'd like to see the data supporting the theory from the University of Colorado. Also, why hasn't anyone in the media, crowd, or law enforcement come forward to say that shots came from multiple directions? Certainly the media and the Magadonians at this event can't be in on the giant conspiracy with the Secret Service, FBI, Pennsylvania State Police the Butler Township police. This doesn't make much sense to me but maybe the vaunted investigative journalists at Fox News, One America News, Newsmax and the like can analyze this data and present to truth to us.

So if you were to recruit somebody to shoot at an ex-president with a secret service detail, you would pick this 20 year old nerd to worked as a nutritionist at a retirement community and was rejected from the rifle team in high school because he was a bad shot?

Even if there were two shooters, it doesn't change the validity of my questions. Why would a Secret Service traitor recruit that nerd? How would he go about finding that nerd? Wouldn't a traitor in the Secret Service look for somebody with the skillset to actually accomplish the mission? That nerd certainly didn't have the cred.