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Im not even upset right now. I tried to bury the hatchet literally 5 posts with you who when I said Fair and you just continued plugging away and you’re still plugging away. Give it up. You must have missed the part where I said I don’t know the board anymore than you do. People discussed DeJean and your ripped it down with your tired business economics tirade that you plug into every discussion that doesn’t involve a premium position. That’s not moving a discussion forward that’s rehashing your points to get people to agree with you. Hence the you must have been pissed about the Kincaid pick last year. For someone who says I lecture too much you sure do much of the same

I agree that they probably pivot to Franklin but people should look for a worst case situations and work backwards. That’s worst case. Stuck at 28 Latu, Mitchell, Thomas, Worthy , DeJean are gone. If you don’t think the Bills run these scenarios people are kidding themselves

I know I’m giving off vibes but the Bills can’t trade down or the value isn’t right and Cooper DeJean goes in the early 20s. I ask because it is plausible all of these happen

This is the question that I have posed as well. Great question. The vast majority will tell you Worthy but that’s why I want people to think beyond these 3. I even want to add that Latu is gone as well. Thomas, Mitchell, Latu are gone and the Bills see Legette as a mid 2nd rounder

I don’t think they wanted to play Ed Oliver that much last year but had no choice with DQ, Phillips going down and Settle being disappointing. I think they would ideally do a 60-40. If that is worth it who knows

I would disagree with this only because Allen was 21, Edmunds was 20, Rousseau was 20, Oliver 21, Elam 20. When Beane takes athletic profiles in round 1 he does it when they’re extremely young. He has never take a 23 year old raw prospect. If you looking at athletic profiles and youth your looking at Brian Thomas and AD Mitchell Even Keon Coleman is 20 but I wouldn’t consider him an athletic freak

He’s not that good and has to be one of the most overrated players in the NFL year in and year out

I like your list without rehashing, glad we agree on a couple. My only guy I think we differ on is Roger Rosengarten. I almost slide him into round 2 of my last mock and think he goes somewhere on Day 2

I will admit he looks thinner at least. Maybe the GF has him on some Hollywood Vegan fad diet

Early round guys: Quinyon Mitchell CB Toledo Ladd McConkey WR Georgia Braden Fiske DT Florida State Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale( might slip due to injuries) Mid Round Guys: Tez Walker WR UNC Tyler Davis DT Clemson Ray Davis RB Kentucky Christian Mahogany OG Boston College Jarrion Jones CB FSU Late Round: JT Clark WR UTSA Kedon Slovis QB BYU Mason McCormick OG SDSU Cody Schrader RB Missouri Jaxon Janke WR SDSU There are more but those are my fav guys

I agree on Michell as well with you just think someone is going to take a chance on his traits and feel they can refine his game earlier than what showed on his tape

I 100% agree that people who think a guy at 28 even in a deep WR is going to come in and get massive targets with Diggs, Cook , Kincaid etc etc here are delusional. I was one of the first to be on McConkey as a Bills possibility and I think it’s still there depending what’s on the board.

No solely for discussion what don’t you get. Out of the 13, some of them aren’t going to be there, some of them won’t be on the the Bills board or high enough but guess what you and I don’t know how their board is and who is where. What you think isn’t relevant to their board. It’s worth discussing all possibilities because you and I don’t know man. How this is so damn hard for you to comprehend is astounding. Oh lord god forbid I want to discuss more than Xavier Legette day in and day out. As for who with Kincaid last year idk I’d have to go back and look at my notes. I know that OT was high on my board because of the uncertainty with Brown, his inconsistency and back issues, as well as WR but I projected the WRs to go either before the Bills pick which they did or I think I had a guy like them not loving Johnston Out of the 13 guys I expect Latu, Powers Johnson, Mitchell, Murphy, Newton, DeJean literally you commented on my last mock go look lol. That leaves 7 guys but out of those 13 it’s not out of the realm of possibility that any of the 13 are there at the Bills pick.

Gould is like 5’8 too isn’t he?

I think I’m my unbiased opinion Beane has been really good at finding solid contributors in the draft at all levels and has done a great job on day 3 in particular which means the scouts have been doing great. I think my only problem with him is he hasn’t drafted enough difference makers or guys who have become truly elite

So the answer to your question is no. The possibility of picks at 28 are Any WR with a possible late first early 2nd round grade Mitchell, Worthy, Legette, McConkey, Wilson, Franklin DTs: Murphy Newton DE: Chop Robinson Darius Robinson Laiatu Latu who is going to fall further than people think Safety: Cooper DeJean Jackson Powers Johnson Zach Frazier I also think while unlikely the depth of OT and CB that could happen where a player is graded above a WR and is too good to pass up but this will end up back to your original arguments of investment in the right positions. It’d be nice to be able to have conversations about other guys. I will continue to hang my hat on I literally picked Kincaid to the Bills last year in my last mock and got laughed at by people who thought it was a terrible investment since we already had Knox and his big contract. The way you talk you must have been absolutely furious about last years picks

Coleman is 6’3 215. I’m guessing you meant Worthy

I have numerous times man in these threads talked about other WRs, other positions as possibility, other players and it is guys like you who are fighting having lengthy discussions about other players cause again if it’s not Thomas, Mitchell, or Legette it’s unacceptable. In your case you like Worthy too. Thats 4 players on this board that are acceptable picks at 28 for like 75% of this board. It gets tiring when you talk about someone else and people like you come around staring nope terrible investment, doesn’t fit the roster and while you may seem incredibly intelligent right now what if one of those 4 players doesn’t get picked and even worse another WR gets picked. Then you and everyone else is gonna look like an idiot on this board. You want me to invest, I would encourage you sir to to open up your mind of possibilities beyond 4 guys as there is a much stronger likelihood of them not being picked than there is and be open to other peoples ideas. I take the arguments as they come as well. I have never once said I don’t want a WR in round 1 but I think people do have a valid point that you can get 2 WRs in this draft starting in round 2 and another in round 4 and still consider that a significant investment as you put it. Fair?

Guess what man I don’t give a damn what you think of me. I like how you guys always tag each other like some gang of long term know it alls like I didn’t already quote the guy to make him aware I’m responding to him. I’ve been on this board since the early 2000s just cause I don’t spend my life on here doesn’t mean my opinion is less than yours.

The same 3 guys that get spewed here all the time. Thomas, Michell, Legette. Franklin and Coleman also fit that mold but the vast majority will tell you they don’t want them

So was the 2022 draft, hence why I brought it up. 6 WRs went in the first and 12 went in the first two rounds and I proved your point to be false in that. Sure you can look in hindsight and say it wasn’t as strong now but in 2022 it was considered considerably deep. Here is your list of 2023 1000 yards, whether they achieved it in their first two years and where they were drafted in their class. Tyreek Hill- Yes first two years , went in the 5th round Ceedee Lamb Yes first two years , 1st round Amon Ra St. Brown- Yes first two years 4th round Puka Nacua - Yes 5th round AJ Brown - Yes 2nd round DJ Moore- Yes 1st round Brandon Aiyuk- No 1st round Nico Collins- Yes 3rd round Mike Evans - Yes 1st round Amari Cooper- Yes 1st round Keenan Allen Yes 3rd Round Jamarr Chase Yes 1st Round Stefon Diggs- No 5th Round Michael Pittman- Yes 2nd Round Davante Adams No- 2nd Round Adam Thielen- No- Undrafted George Pickens- Yes 2nd Round Chris Olave Yes 1st Round DK Metcalf- Yes 2nd Round Justin Jefferson Yes 1st Round Davonta Smith - Yes 1st Round DeAndre Hopkins- Yes 1st Round Garrett Wilson- Yes 1st Round Chris Godwin- No 3rd Round Calvin Ridley- No 1st Round Adam Theilen- No Undrafted Jaylen Waddle- Yes 1st Round Terry McLaurin- Yes 3rd round There are actually 28 WRs who had 1,000 yard season: Out of those 28, 21 of 28 achieved 1,000 yards in their first two years(75%) basically proving if your good your most likely going to prove it in your first two years Out of those 28, 13 went in the first much like you said which is 36.4 % not exactly what I would call impressive for something to back up needing a 1st round WR Out of those 13 WRs that went in the 1st round Lamb went 17th, DJ Moore 24th, Aiyuk 25th, Evans 7th overall, Cooper 4th overall, Chase 5th overall, Olave 11th overall, Jefferson 22nd overall, Smith 10th overall, Hopkins 27th overall, Wilson 10th overall, Ridley 26th overall, Waddle 6th overall 7 out of the 13 went in the top 15 or 53%. The only WRs that wouldn’t have cost a ton for a trade up were Aiyuk, Hopkins, Ridley, Jefferson, Moore. 38%. Aiyuk and Ridley didn’t achieve 1,000 yards in their first two years. The only other WR on this list that was drafted near the 28th pick that had 1,000 yards was Michael Pittman at 34th. Every other WR was drafted 50 or later that went in the 2nd round 6 out of 28 1,000 yard WRs went in trade up range or slightly after the Bills pick at 28 or 21% If anything, statistically speaking, based on your own data, The Bills have a 21% chance of getting a 1,000 yard WR based on 2023 1,000 yard WRs. Just to be fair for the last statistic I didn’t include most 2nd rounders because they went before pick 60 besides DK Metcalf who went 64th. So this excludes Aj Brown, George Pickens, and Devante Adams. 10 of the 28 guys were drafted after pick 60 or 35% Now for your last point of it depends who your QB is: Of course it does to an extent but not entirely. Hill, Waddle, St Brown, Lamb, Nacua, Brown, Collins, Allen, Chase, Diggs, Smith, Ridley, Aiyuk, Jefferson imo and it’s my opinion got good to great QB play most of the year. McLaurin, Theilen, Evans, Godwin, Wilson, Adams, Hopkins, Pittman, Pittman, Olave, Pickens, Metcalf received inconsistent play imo again You’re talking to the wrong guy again brother. I’m not the one who said I can snap my finger and get a 1,000 yard WR by year 2 he did. Nor have I said we’ll get a star at any position. He’s the one who brought up 1,000 yard WRs. Watson doesn’t fit his criteria for his original argument so your point on Watson is null and void on this topic

You don’t seem to understand that my whole process is to make people think. HappyDays said that 27 WRs and 13 of them came in the first round this past year. I rebutted that WR play is highly contingent on QB play. I said that to him and he didn’t respond because he knew it hurt his argument at the time. Then when I responded that only 3 of 12 WRs have 1,000 yards on their first two years after he states that 1,000 yards shouldn’t be hard for a guy he rebutted with well most of those guys don’t have Josh Allen and a guy should easily be able to eclipse 1,000 yards( my original point). I then said if that is now his point than the Bills can be willing to wait until round 2 to get their WR. He talked out of both sides his mouth, used my original point, got caught and conveniently didn’t respond again. I’m not against WR in the first round. The whole idea of my post was to say it’s not as easy as snap your fingers and you have 1,000 yards for a rookie or 2nd year guy and most of the guys who achieved that were taken in the top 15 of the draft not in late round 1. Do you understand what I’m putting down yet or do I need to further explain it?

Most of these guys come from broken homes, poor, bad areas or all of the above. His story, while sad, isn’t unique unfortunately

I mentioned this exact point to you when your 27 WRs and half of them are first rounders argument was about so you could prove your point about taking a 1st round WR instead of another position. I said the exact same thing to you that having a QB who is above average makes WR play significantly better when I said those 27 most of them either had great QB play or were the only viable weapon on their team(Theilen) If your making my point now , that you brushed over then my argument would be well if we have Josh Allen with our offense than we can wait in a really heavy draft at WR waiting until round 2 and still get an impact WR.

I still think 1,000 yards in their 2nd year is lofty. We have a lot of mouths to feed and Kincaids market share is going to grow especially picking at 28. 2022 draft London-No Wilson- Yes Olave-Yes Williams- No Dotson- No Burks- No Watson- No Metchie- No Thornton- No Pickens- Yes Pierce- No Moore- No 3 out of 12 have hit 1,000 and only 1 would have been available Most guys who have hit 1,000 yards are guys who have gone in the top 15 of the draft. I went through others