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Not many guys do that in this draft. Thats why i've been advocating for Kincaid if he's on the board. He provides exactly what your saying interchangeability of parts, forcing teams to prep for our vaunted 10, 11 personnel while also being able to add in 12 personnel sets. For WR's the guy who does that is Jalin Hyatt but he's going to take a year or two to hopefully become the player everyone wants. Everyone also thinks of 12 as being Two TE's on the line but you can do so much with 12 personnel that is different than 10 and 11. The Bills are not a hard study its just that they are more talented than most teams.

No there are people in the local media and the fan base that are deadset that we have to take a WR at 27 no matter what is on the board. Don’t care about anything else. Recommend something else and your a moron

I think it’s a great short term move for the Jets. They are a contender with Rodgers. The negative is if it goes average or bad even the New York Media is going to eat Rodgers alive and Rodgers hates the media.

your not getting an immediate # 2 WR from this draft and Knox was blocking so much because Brown and Saffold were so awful and had to have him stay in

Just randomly chucking out Mitch Mustain as the example I loved it and laughed.

All I know is once you get past the first 6 or 7 picks in this draft, it is highly volatile and can go in many different directions. Usually you can lock in a top 15-Top 20 but this year beyond 6 or 7 it could be anyone.

So I guess my question is to you then is who is better BPA in your opinion than Kincaid at 27 if the draft fell like this. I'm genuinely curious to this question.

I think its because Downs is a pretty clean prospect. No character questions, no injury history, teams might have a good grasp on who he is so its not necessary to bring him in.

LaPorta isn't really a blocker either to be honest. If your looking for all around TE's who can do both your looking at Darnell Washington(arguable), Tucker Kraft, and Luke Schoonmaker at least when it comes to the early guys. There are some other guys who can block later in the draft but have limited upside in the passing game.

I agree that a trade back is likely if only because the value at WR isn't likely at 27 and they do want to draft one for sure as noted by their 5 top 30 visits with WR's. In this model there are no trades. I think they want to walk away with more than 6 players drafted for sure. I will also say for the naysayers on TE's they did meet with 3 guys on top 30 visits and another one was suspected as someone mentioned a 4th being a possibility and they are all high round TE's. Musgrave and Washington are going to go in round 2 and Schoonmaker is probably a 3rd round guy. None of the guys they met with are lower than a 3rd round grade which means it seems likely they are going to take a TE fairly high in this draft even if its not round 1.

Im defensive of it only in the fact that people can't be open to a different idea than LB/WR at 27. I have readily admitted that I could be wrong a lot. I do realize we can lose Gabe Davis next year and there are more than 2 rounds in a draft. And yes in this scenario, Dalton Kincaid is the Best Player Available even over Quentin Johnson. Could the Bills still pass on him absolutely. I said in the pick info that they would consider a multitude of guys including WR's Quentin Johnson and Jalin Hyatt. How do you know they aren't going to prioritize Kincaid if they took him? A lot of people on this board are aching for a slot receiver to replace Beasley/McKenzie and upgrade there as Allen and the offense seemed to stall a bit because of the position. So I pick a TE(really a big WR) who can line up in the slot and do a multitude of things from the slot including stretch the seams which Allen does best in the vertical passing game and you can't see beyond the fact that he'll be behind Dawson Knox which isn't true at all. Sure we can trot out 10 and 11 personnel again last year and be successful. Their going to be successful no matter who they draft because they have a top QB The difference between me and you is that if the Bills don't take Kincaid and take Johnson/Hyatt/Bresee/Branch etc, you wont hear me getting on this message board lambasting the front office for their terrible pick because I'll get it regardless but if the Bills do take a guy like Kincaid over guys like Johnson/Campbell/ your love children you will be the first one on here telling people how terrible the pick was.

2/3rd will be wrong because one pick that is wrong throws off a whole draft. I bet I have a ton of guys that will go in the first round though just might not be to the right team. Again I gave you a top 3 LB in the 2nd round(Top LBs': Campbell, Simpson, Sanders). None of these players are first round caliber. Drafting one at 27 is a waste. I gave you arguably a top 15 player in this draft at 27 and gave you one of the top 3 LB's at 59 and your doing nothing but moaning and groaning about it. Fine just for you I'll draft Campbell at 27 and you can have Marvin Mims at 59 just to make you feel good about yourself. Their two worse players than Kincaid and Simpson but that's what you want because they'll be featured more supposedly like Kaair Elam was last year or James Cook or Terell Bernard (oh wait that didnt happen either)

While I'm not trying to get chippy with you its very easy to list a bunch of guys and say this is who I want in this round without playing out simulations of each round and the needs of teams in front of you. I can list 6 players i'd love for each round as well doesn't mean their even going to be there when the Bills are on the clock.

I'm a former recruiting assistant at a Division 1 school, former Head Coach of HS ball for 8 years, worked 3 years as a recruiting coordinator and college coach at a couple Division 3 schools and I know a handful of NFL scouts, Division 1-3 Head Coaches throughout the country. I don't know everything but i've evaluated college kids for about 7 years in college including the highest athletes in the country for 3 1/2 years. I have resources I can ask guys about. Am I wrong a lot still. Yup I am but I have a much broader insight to the inner workings than Joe Fan who watched Youtube clips just on knowledge of what teams actually look for.

I think a lot of Bills fans in particular have been brainwashed by media stating they need a LB and that 27 is a legit possibility. There is not a LB in this draft who should go in the first half of the 2nd round. Simpson has great athletic traits to be a superstar but he does have trouble processing things that happen in front of him. Do I think there is a good possibility that both Kincaid and Simpson are off the board at the Bills picks in these spots absolutely but it wouldn't stun me. I think Bills fans are going to shocked when Sanders, Campbell, and Simpson don't go in the top 40 picks on Thursday and Friday.

Byron Leftwich would be the biggest one. Would have gotten me fired for taking him over Carson Palmer.

I think the 27 for 34 and Hopkins makes sense from a value standpoint. The trade chart says Hopkins would be a 3rd rounder in that scenario which sounds about right

If anything it’s weird to put it out there if not true. Could be they adjusted the line cause it’s a toss up which QB goes # 2 and they don’t want large bets coming in on + 500 Will Levis only for it to happen just gotta go with the info at hand

They need to replace Gabe Davis considering he’s a Free Agent and despite his shortcomings will get a fairly large contract due to the WR market exploding and the direction the NFL is going

I think you’re making a lot of assumptions. Who on the board is available in this mock that you would take to upgrade the WR core with this pick or on the offensive line? Q Johnson who is a Gabe Davis clone and gives you nothing different? O’Cyrus Torrence who’s a terrible scheme fit. Don’t change it up you wanted a LB, I gave you one at 59 for you only to say that you’d rather take one at 27 when in this mock the first one doesn’t come off the board at 48. You’d be getting terrible value at 27. I could see the Bills taking a Bergeron at 59. It’s funny how perception kills fans openness to things. If I gave you Campbell and Bergeron in the first two rounds you’d love it but in reality I would have reached a half a round at 27 to fill need and I’ll be honest I’m not sure the Bills are taking LB at all. Most of the top TEs were also saddled with bad QB play and to be honest with you, Kincaid isn’t really a TE he’s a big WR like Pitts. The difference is you’re drafting Kincaid at 27 versus Pitts with pick 4. The Bills have a top 3 QB in the NFL for Kincaid to work with vs Pitts who had a dead arm Matt Ryan and now Desmond Ridder. His career is dead until he leaves Atlanta

Well you already admitted it then. Projecting mock drafts, like Millers, aren’t about what you want. It’s trying to find fit, value, and the way NFL teams think.

So you’d rather pass on a dynamic TE for a LB where I give you a top 3 LB supposedly at 59. Doesn’t make sense what you’re saying. This draft is very realistic, and people who are more plugged in and have some different info can back it. Am I going to be wrong on more than 2/3rds of it prob but usually everyone is.

Yea there are a lot of guys who have never played Guard that end up playing Guard in the NFL. It’s a pretty easy transition for a College guy most of the time

Kincaid could play a lot of different positions. Knox becomes your traditional Y TE. Kincaid can play the slot, he can play H back, put him in bunch sets etc. He’s an exciting player. Is he the ideal pick the answer is No but if your looking for offensive playmaker than I think he fits the Bill to a tee with what’s available

Yea I don’t disagree there if they went Bergeron I wouldn’t complain if they are dead set at what they have at LB. I also think Bergeron has some flex to play Guard.