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anyone who compares clausen to Winston should be banned from scouting
This is the whole source of these guys on why I keep responding to them. If you think Winston is Clausen or even JaMarcus Russell who was extremely lazy about football then you dont know what your talking about. I have never once said that Winston will have a career like Brady, Montana, or Elway. I honestly think that Winston's floor is something like Matt Schaub. A guy who's around for 10-12 years has 3-4 really good years and is a high volume INT guy. His ceiling is probably Ben Roethlisberger. I know that is a common comparison but it makes a ton of sense. Same figure, same ability to get away from pressure. Has the ability to run but doesnt prefer it. The Roethlisberger comp as his ceiling is perfect. Jimmy Clausen being a comp is just blind hatred for someone spewing out of the mouth.
When Dude is your best retort to an argument I know you dont have much besides the ESPN drivel you have heard for the last year.
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My point about Flacco AND Rothlisberger related to their being in non-powerhouse divisions and teams (when others claim Winston has to be good because he played against the SEC). The way I see it is you are the exact type of fan this thread was aimed at...stroking this kid's ego before he takes step one onto an NFL field. I suppose you were a Johnny Footfungus fan as well?
And don't presuppose how I reacted to the Duke LaCrosse scandal...last time I checked those players weren't causing damage to their dorms, taking soda from restaurants, stealing crab legs, or being investigated for paid autographs...but again, Jameis gets coddled and stroked for being "da' man"....no charges. It really is laughable.
No I don't like Johnny Manziel at all actually because I knew he wouldn't be a good NFL QB just like I cringed when the Bills drafted Manuel. Manuel will never be a good starting NFL QB. I am not blind because I like Florida State. I call it like I see it. I wouldn't touch either Mario Edwards Jr. or Ronald Darby and both of them are highly thought of draft prospects from FSU. If you can't see the football acumen in Winston then your blind I don't know what to tell you. He was so far ahead of everybody today in drills including Mariotta.
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Two ways to look at QB's: 1) Physical talent, and 2) Mental makeup. Winston may have physical tools...but where he and Clausen, RGIII, and Geno falter is the mental side. I don't really give a **** if he played SEC teams, National Champs, etc. (Flacco and Rothlisberger didn't and they turned out ok). My problem is this aura of superiority he brings to the table whereupon he will experience a rude awakening at the first sign of adversity (whether it is on or off the field). "Coach X" and "Alumni donors" won't be there to pick him up, brush him off and tell him he's "all that".
Dude he faced adversity all year. He got hit a ton. He had a young receiving corps. They were behind numerous games and with the exception of Oregon he led them back every time. His mental makeup is fantastic. He picked up Jimbo Fishers offense incredibly quick which is a pro system. He was accepted into Stanford coming out of high school. I take exception to this as a FSU fan. The dude will not be Ponder because his physical tools are far superior to him. He won't be Manual because his football processing information is way better. ITa amazing how you bring up Roethlisberger to me. Wasn't he accused of raping someone in a bar? Man his football makeup is gonna be terrible. What a bust he'll be. Give me a break.
Dude was proven innocent of the rape allegations 3 separate times by the state attorney, by the Tallahassee PD, and by a reputable 3rd party judge in the code of conduct hearing at the school. Screaming FHITP is something stupid that every young guy has done one time or another in some manner.
If she was raped why didn't she file a civil suit? Why is she doing a documentary about her story for money? Why are there rumors of her asking for 7 million dollars to keep her mouth shut. Why is she apart of a group called the cleat chasers. Your probably the type of guy that was repulsed when you found out the Duke Lacrosse team raped the two girls and then it was later found out they both lied about it for attention.
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As long as whoever drafts him is in the ACC, he should eek out a lot of wins next year.
The "better than Luck prospect" guy should get some sort of extra points for crazy.
Yea except he went 3-0 against the SEC in his 2 years including the uh national championship against Auburn. He also beat Notre Dame, Oklahoma State. Plus the ACC at the top was pretty good this year. They beat a really good GT team who beat both Georgia and Miss St(SEC). Clemson is also a real good program and Louisville is solid. Yea the ACC has Wake Forest and Virginia but every conference has a couple powderpuffs
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Carden is a no go. Guy has a noodle arm. I've been most impressed by Fajardo and Bennett so far along with Hundley obviously
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Jameis will throw 20 TD's and 21 INT's and we will read about how he just needs another year. He wants people to make excuses for him...just like Jimmy (who fell off the face of the earth).
Well Peyton Manning was terrible his first year with 24 INTS...guess that means Peyton Manning= Jimmy Clausen you heard it here first
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Watched his games. Watched him throw to wide open receivers. Watched him run through monstrous holes in a weak division. He's now predicting Superbowl in first year (Yeah, I know...just confidence) and equating Lovie Smith compliments to being a Buccaneer. He'll demand a limo in no time. Welcome to the NFL Jameis Clausen.
yup and won a national championship and had 8 come from behind victories showing he can overcome a lot of things. Yea he makes mistakes but people need to remember he only played college ball for 2 years and had a really in experienced WR corps this year. His offensive line was underacheiving all year until Erving went to Center and he still brought them back. I'm not saying he's a lock to be a stud but to me he has the it factor that players would love in the lockeroom.
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With the lack of quality interior offensive lineman it wouldnt surprise me if he went in the 3rd round.
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From Matt miller-
@nfldraftscout: Nick O'Leary is a lot like James Casey to me (but slower). He'll play a long, long time in the NFL with H-back his best fit.
I agree, he'd be more like Delanie Walker than Vernon Davis in Greg Roman's offense.
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God O'Leary's hands are so good. I dont care if the dude ran a 4.93. All he has to do is find seams and have a QB stick it on him and its good. Guy doesn't drop anything.
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I think 40's are overrated as well it sort of depends what your looking for I guess. If your looking for an H-Back type guy then O'Leary is your guy. Great hands but not a huge catch radius. He'll be a high volume pass catcher but it wont be for big numbers
If you looking for an inline blocking tight end you might want to take a look at a Nick Boyle or Ben Koyack.
I'm actually a huge fan of Clive Walford. I dont know if he will last until 81 though. He would be an ideal trade down guy from 50.
Maxx Williams is a good all around tight end but I dont think he'll be there.
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The best CFL guys are Ricky Ray who is 35 and Bo Levi Mitchell
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The Players at positions of need that have been getting a lot of rub are OG Johnathan Miller from Louisville, TE Wes Saxton Jr., QB Taylor Heinicke, WR Darren Waller for the East offense. Quayshawn Nealy is big time at LB.
The West has players like Bobby Hart OT, and Malcolm Brown RB on offense and the west Defense has a bunch of good players who can go in the mid rounds like Chucky Hunter, Bryce Hager, Taiwan Jones, and Josh Shaw.
Guard Jon Feliciano as well forgot about him.
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Isn't Ryan Mallett a FA as well? I'd be intrigued just because he doesnt have a proven nor unproven track record. The only problem is the Pats would know everything about him.
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I deep down think that Pep Hamilton will get the job when all is said and done. He has worked with Andrew Luck, Jay Cutler and numerous other QB's in the league. I think that's what the Bills are really hoping for. Someone who can develop E.J.
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What in the hell is he thinking. Did Spiller help him ..No he didn't but to look back to see where Collins is is completely bush league. Have you ever seen any QB legitemely look back 180 to see where a pass rusher is. Then to cough up the ball on top of that is just shake your head worthy.
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Marrone said the NFL is not a league for tryouts, or something like that.
Well Ron Brooks has proven that he is no more than a try out player.
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This is called the "Ron Brooks sucks" drive for the Patriots. Every pass has been at Brooks. You would think...hey maybe we should give this Ross Cockrell guy a shot instead of watching him get beat every play.
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Holy Cow have those two been fantastic all year long. They just absolutely dominate. Even when these two don't show up on the stat sheet they cause other problems for offenses. I know there was a report out there that we wouldn't re-sign Hughes if he had a monster season but I think it is very important to keep the D-Line and Brandon Spikes after this year. I know we shouldn't spend all our money in the defensive front seven but I think that our offense is good enough if we can find one guard and obviously a long term solution at Quarterback. That is all and a very good win against a good football team on the road.
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1. Ralph Wilson Stadium(Bills)
2. Arrowhead Stadium(Chiefs)
3. Browns Stadium(Browns)
4. Carrier Dome(Syracuse)
5. Rose Bowl(Florida State vs Auburn)
6. Heinz Field(Pitt Panthers)
7. HSBC Arena(Sabres)
8. Kaufman Stadium(Royals)
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I'm still going with Scott Crichton until he gets picked by someone
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A fourth rounder from the niners is nearly a fifth... Even if conditions are met we'd still only get a very early 4th round pick... :/ Don't like it at all.
No its a late 3rd. I really hate when fans use this as an example. Its called a 3rd round pick for a reason. Well I guess the Pats got essentially a 2nd rounder at 31. Do you realize how assanine that sounds?
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Joel Bitonio OT Nevada. He's by far the best OT left on the board.
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I'd start by taking Bitonio if he is there. I would then go with Moses, if both of them are gone then I would go in a different direction. I dont want Kouandjio.
I'll say it now: Jameis Winston = Jimmy Clausen Part II
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted
https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/569257791015268352
https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/569259247525081089
https://twitter.com/Cardschatter/status/569257566863278080
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24525604/in-195-hours-of-baseball-football-winston-is-nonstop-and-wants-more
This is some of the stuff you dont hear about Winston. I know people will say oh so he did one good thing but last year ESPN was on a smeer campaign for clicks. Im not trying to change your mind, I can see why people don't like his character all the time but he's done a lot of good things for people as well which is something you dont hear about with him.