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I think the biggest nugget he let out was when someone asked about TEs being a security blanket for young QBs and he agreed but then said something along the lines of obviously we want to help our young guy by building the trenches out. That typically to me means that they are eyeballing OL/DL.
It actually doesnt surprise me cause Andy Reid has that same philosophy.
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1 hour ago, blacklabel said:
I gotta agree with Bangarang. There are too many stud defensive players in this draft that'll be valued higher than a tight end. That's not a knock on Hockenson, he's good, but teams are gonna value guys like Bosa, Williams, Allen, Burns, Polite, Oliver, Simmons, Gary, White, etc. over Hockenson. And then you'll have Haskins who will go early, maybe both the OTs (Williams, Taylor) go early. Again, Hockenson is a fine player, but the top 10 is jammed up with a lot of guys that'll be valued a bit higher than he will.
Very unlikely that teams value torn ACL Jeffrey Simmons over him, Polite has character concerns according to Matt Miller....Bosa, Williams, and Allen will be gone before the Bills pick. Burns will be too one dimensional to take in the top 10. Daniel Jeremiah has reported teams are concerned about Oliver’s last 4 games, his junior tape in general, and his overall size which is why you have seen him go from guaranteed top 3 in mocks to anywhere from 7 to 25 now.
Gary has a ton of potential but doesn’t live up to it with production.
You can poke holes in every DL argument besides the top 3. The reason why Hockenson is gaining steam in circles is because A)He’s the best TE in the country B)He’s still very young and hasn’t tapped his potential C) He has no character concerns D)He is an all around prospect and TE with both his blocking and catching prowess.
As as I stated in the other thread, his combine will be a huge factor in whether he goes top 10 or in the latter art of the 1st round
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There are some rumors that the Giants like Daniel Jones more then Haskins. Could be just the Manning-Cutcliff-Jones connection people are going off of though
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Its good to see a fellow Hock fan.
Here's the line to the thread from a week ago, if you want to read on the comments from there.
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You should only value them when you have a franchise QB and need to constantly stock up on more picks to have cheaper contracts. Thats my opinion. If you dont have that guy then a 3rd or 4th round pick usually doesn't matter unless you hit on said Franchise QB with one of them.
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1 minute ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:
But... but... but, had the Bills lost the 6 players the Pat's had lost, this board would have lost its s$#*, run McBeane up a flag pole, doused Kim and Terry in petroleum, and lit everything on fire.
That's the difference: we lose four players and people freak out. The Pat's smartly jettison six, and reap the benefits.
I agree as I said earlier, it’s very easy to jettison guys who want 12-15 million a year and replace them cheaply when you have Tom Brady, Drew Brees, And really good QBs leading. They lost Solder for big money, replaced him with Trent Brown and now Brown is gonna get huge money and they’ll get another 3rd next year
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6 hours ago, offyourocker said:
How can the Rams be getting picks. They signed so many free agents last year
Actually they didn’t at all. They didn’t sign 1 qualifying FA. They traded for Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib, and Brandin Cooks.
They did sign Nickell Robey Coleman, Suh, and Sam Shields but they were all cut by the Bills, Dolphins, and Packers so they didn’t count against the formula.
They also signed Cooks, Gurley, and Donald to extensions so that might seem why they were in your mindset more.
On the flip flop side they lost Trumaine Johnson, Sammy Watkins, Cody Davis, and Derek Carrier making them eligible for 4 comp picks. They received 3 as Carrier fell below the AAV Salary required to obtain the 4th one
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10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
That is the majority yes, but there is a reason it is called a "formula" and no one knows for certain what teams will be awarded what picks. If it was striclt a net contract value thing, these things would be known "with certainty" ...and thats not the case
I pretty well explained earlier quite easily how the Patriots and Rams accrued their pics pretty accurately without secrecy. Go to overthecap.com they do a heck of a job as well and are like 98% accurate and there is zero mention of playing time or awards as part of the “super secret formula”
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7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
Thats is part of the equation, but not the whole equation as I understand it. If that was the case, we would know by start of the season pretty much what teams would get what. Playing time, stats , all kind of things are computed in i believe.
First thing I found
Its not based on awards or playing time, every year people bring this up and it’s not true if you look at the history of comp picks
The Rams got 2 3rd round picks solely because they had a net lose in FAs and Trumaine Johnson(who was terrible this year) signed a contract with an AAV of 14.5 million a season and Sammy Watkins ( who was average) to over 15 mill AAV. It’s based on Players lost vs players gained. Then based on AAV and comparing and crossing out equal salaries.
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1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:
If I'm not mistaken, this signing doesn't even count against us in the comp pick category because he was a cut, correct?
Correct
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2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
I forgot about Soldier and Butler, it makes more sense now. The problem with the comp picks is that the Patriots always let players go, and teams always sign them to huge contracts because their patriots background gives teams hard-ons. If teams stop overpaying for ***** players from the Patriots, this would stop happening.
I will say though, it is really quite ridiculous that the NFL keeps the formula locked down.. What's the point of that? Do teams not know and they don't want teams messing with the system? Or is it just kept from the public? It's hard to claim parity and equal playing field with such secrets-however small.
The reason why they can do this has more to do with the fact that Brady and Belichick can cover up weaknesses because their two of the best all time.
Get used to it the Pats are gonna be in line for two more 3rd rounders most likely next near with Trent Brown and Trey Flowers as FAs
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With only 6 FA(none of which are in high demand) and the hope the Bills sign multiple Free Agents this off-season, don’t expect any next year either. Clay doesn’t count for us since we released him.
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3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:
I must really not get how this works lol.
Dont you have to lose players in free agency for this and not sign many? I have never fully understood the formula, not sure anyone really does. Multiple 3’s seems quite high though for both them and LA. Doesn’t seem like they lost or didn’t resign many players
Its very easy actually. The hidden magic formula is really Players gained vs players Lost. If you have more players lost then gained you qualify for a compensatory pick. Then they take the Average Annual Salary Of the players you gained and the players you lost and match them as equally as possible.
To have a player qualify thy need to meet a certain salary threshold as well. Players signed that were cut from other teams do not count in the players gained column
For Example:
Buffalo lost:
Seantrel Henderson
Preston Brown
E.J Gaines
Joe Webb
Buffalo gained:
Murphy
Lotelelei
Stanford
McCarron
Bodine
Bush
6 gained 4 lost = no picks
Now the Patriots were a question
Patriots lost:
Nate Solder
Malcolm Butler
Danny Amendola
Dion Lewis
Joe Bademosi
Cameron Fleming
Patriots Gained:
Adrian Clayborn
Jeremy Hill
Patriots lost 6 Gained 2= 4 possible comp picks
Solder AAV is over 15
Butler AAV is over 12
Amendola is almost 6
Lewis almost 5
Bademost 3.1
Fleming 2.5
Clayborn is 5 AAV
Hill was 1.3
So now match em up.
Lewis and Clayborn cancel each other and Hill and Fleming cancel each other
This leaves Solder= 3rd round, Butler 3rd round, Amendola 6th round, Bademosi 7th round based on their AAV
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3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
#HappyEndingGate
#MassageGate
#ProstiGate
#OldManHasToPayForItGate
Someone on twitter had #fallategate, I liked that one
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To give a little perspective, Jim Irsay was fined 500K and suspended 6 games for drug charges. I consider this to be worse even before you find out the details of exactly what’s goin on.
I see at the very very least a 1 million dollar fine and 10 games(speculation). The more details that come out the worse it will get
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Just now, whatdrought said:
Not just a prostitution issue. If he had knowledge of the origin of the women etc. then he needs to be gone for a long long time.
Exactly, being an old man getting some action and paying for it is one thing. Yea it would be frowned upon by the league, he would get a fine, a suspension etc.
They have it on videotape of him being there. The girls were being sex trafficked to the US from other countries. Even the association of that is why the NFL will do something stern. You have an owner of the NFL at a prostitution ring with forced girls on video and he's one of the most influential owners in the league. He might get the charges reduced the but the "protecting the shield" he didn't do.
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This is a real bad look for the NFL. I mean I’m laughing but obviously Kraft being one of 32 is a huge deal but he also was one of the biggest decision makers in league circles being on all kinds Of committees.
if this is as bad as it appears, I would suspect the NFL would pressure him to sell the Patriots and go live under a rock. I’m not even sure they would want his son or the Kraft name associated with the NFL.
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As a # 2 it’s a good pickup, as a # 1 it’s meh. I expect him to get 4-6 mill a year just because of the expanding cap
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Garrett Bradbury OC NC State
Chris Lindstrom OG Boston College
T.J. Hockenson TE Iowa
Terrill Hanks is the perfect undersized former safety who became a LB. Much like Milano and Dorian O'Daniel who the Bills brought in for a pre draft visit last year.
Dalton Risner OT Kansas State
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1 hour ago, The Senator said:
On their ‘Big Board’, Draftek has Hockenson’s slightly taller teammate, Noah Fant, ranked #28 - the highest ranked TE.
Hockenson is ranked #82, behind Fant, Irv Smith, Kaden Smith, and Josh Oliver.
Based on that, I’m thinking he’ll be there for us in round 3, maybe even round 4.
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This is not really trying to knock Astro, but Drafttek's rankings of players are absolutely terrible. I literally laugh where some of their players are ranked....Hockenson being one of them.
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I think thats the only cut you'll see before FA or the draft. Maybe once they sign a guy they feel is better etc, but I doubt they just get rid of Bodine, Ducasse or others without a replacement already in house. Its not like any of these guys are killing our 80 million in cap space.
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51 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:
He may very well be one of the best TE's in the NFL by his third year. Those things are difficult to predict. However, he's still a TE.... which means that the positional draft value isn't there for a top 10 pick unless he puts up freak (Vernon Davis 4.38) numbers at the combine in the 40 or vertical jump. Teams would rather try and find a Gronk or George Kittle between the 2nd and 5th than spend a top 10 on a TE. It's a strange year though. Without any other sure thing playmakers or QBs in the draft his value might be bumped up and a team may pull the trigger early. Fact remains, I don't see anything about him that says he'll be a transcendent player though. Excellent, yes.... But the type of guy that completely redefines the position on his way to the Hall of Fame? No. I don't see that. Is he worth the #9 pick? Perhaps, but it's dependent upon the value of the defensive players left on the board.
See I would agree with you in most years about Hockenson and agree in a much stronger draft maybe he goes 20-30. I keep hearing that he isn't a transcendent type and that may be true it might not be. I say this, this draft at the top stinks name me guys that you KNOW FOR SURE are going to be a star. Nick Bosa.....that might be just about it in this draft. There is no sure fire QB. There is no top 10 RB. No Top 20 WR. There now maybe 5 Edge or DT's that are worthy of the 9th overall pick(Williams, Bosa, Allen, Gary, Oliver), 1 LB(White) and No DB's worthy of the 9th pick. Greedy Williams is now being talked about as a mid to late first round pick. Thats why I brought him up, I think he's an interesting case. I think if he runs 4.55 or 4.6 he should be in consideration. If he runs 4.7-4.8 then your probably right he's a late 1 or two. His testing results will tell a lot about him. I dont expect him to run 4.4 to justify picking him tho.
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I’m actually surprised how split this thread is on him. I was expecting much more negativity tbh when I started this thread.
Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.
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Probably all 4 guys to be honest that they let go. There is a common theme. 4 older coaches with long track records of success who may have been stuck in their ways and didn’t want to change or thought their job status was secure replaced by 4 guys who are all younger and haven’t had the taste yet or being a full time guy besides Dorsey. Guys who will be hungry to make a difference on the staff.