BuffaloBob

TWO good passes in a row, the second of which was for a touchdown.

Kind of like what Pink Floyd did with Sid Barret??

It was my first year as well. I was 10. I remember the San Diego home game that year in mid November. It was a miserable game both in performance (Bills lost 21-6) and the weather. Cold rain the whole game. By the fourth quarter you couldn’t read any of the players numbers because it was a mud bowl. Well, all except for one: Mr. John Hadl #21. John Hadl’s uni was completely clean! Every other player on the field was mud from head to toe. There wasn’t much to cheer about but about mid way through the 4th quarter, a chant started: GET HADL DIRTY!! GET HADL DIRTY! The whole stadium was chanting it in unison. It went on for 3-4 plays and the Bills finally sacked him. The crowd roared like we had just won the game. That was a tough season, so I, my brother and my father were pathetically happy for that one moral victory. I also remember Ed Rutkowski wearing a wrist band with plays on it when he played later that season. That was the first I had ever seen that. He held his own.

You missed the point. He was insulting someone else, BECAUSE the some else uses NPC to insult others. He was not using NPC to insult anyone.

What I loved about going to games at the rock pile in that era was the live dance band that set up in the baseball dugout and played live music during timeouts and before the game. They always played Christmas carols during the holidays.

My mom and dad used to go out and party with Ron and Paula. They lived in that old school house on Sisson Highway in Eden, at the bottom of Schintzius Rd. I used to baby sit Tammy and Ron Jr. while they were out. (I was about 10 at the time). I used to sleep on their couch and wake up in the AM there. A year or two after he was traded, we went on a family vacation to DC and we stayed a night or two at their condo in Virginia. I was always in awe of him. I think my dad was too. I will have to get this book.

Your point is nothing but irrelevant deflection using a strawman argument. Regardless of who is meddling from the outside, in OUR COUNTRY, it is illegal for a candidate too accept the meddlers help to get him or herself elected. It is on the candidate to OBEY THE LAW and refuse such help, because there WILL ALWAYS BE ATTEMPTS TO GAIN INFLUENCE FROM THE OUTSIDE. The reasons for that should be obvious. We don't want our newly elected potus beholding to a foreign power for accepting that help, nor do we want our potus favoring that foreign meddler when it comes to decisions he or she has to make that are critical to our national security. Just like we don't want our potus making decisions that are against the interest of the country because they benefit him financially. Whether Obama or anyone else has attempted to influence an election or vote abroad on behalf of this country is completely and utterly irrelevant to this issue. I'm NOT BLAMING RUSSIA. What is relevant is whether a candidate for the President of these United States accepts that help, in violation of OUR ELECTION LAWS and compromises him or herself in doing so. And if an elected POTUS has done just that, we need to KNOW IT and he needs to go NOW!

Take the political discussion to PPP, please. Thanks! -mod

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Well, there is no question that they did a lot to TRY to help decide it, and any campaign accepting that help is committing a crime regardless of whether the help can be proven to have DECIDED the outcome. But thanks for playing.....

Dude, you are being waaaayyyy too sensible about this for the hysteria crowd who believe everything they see on the Internet as soon as they see it. There is a certain segment of the population who believe what they WANT to be true without any need for evaluation or thought. While this MAY turn out to be true, anything like this posted on the internet should be treated with cautious skepticism at best. If this had happened to MY friend, the police would have been called immediately after it happened, not posted on Instagram the next day.

If only it were that easy.

+100000

He had the top defense in the league holding opposing offenses to like 10-13 points per game. That's how.

You mean it isn't an intelligent strategy to get rid of players you don't think fit, or to eliminate players with untenable cap hits, for assets such as draft picks unless you are going take a QB? That would seem an intelligent strategy EVERY year regardless of a team's need at the QB position. Moreover, few QB prospects are worth trading "whatever it takes" to get them, no matter the cost. What matters is their assessment as to the value of each QB prospect (taking into account the premium nature of the position), and if it's going to cost much more, you cannot chase. Are the guys in the top 3 worth that much more than a guy they can have at 12? If yes, then make the trade, and if not, don't. But I do not see this management team chasing a prospect way beyond the value they have assigned him simply to appease the fans and the media.

Or is the offense he brings from college Jackson made for Tyrod Taylor?

With all due respect to Bart Starr, the man would never play in this league today (or at least not over the last 30 years) with his under 200 pound body. He also had mostly losing seasons except those in which Vince Lombardi coached them. This was a team with Paul Hornung and Jim Taylor running roughshod over everybody! And Roger Staubach was drafted that late because he had a 6 year service commitment to the Navy ahead of him. Dallas chose him and then waited 6 years until he was 27 to join them!!!!!! Bulger was well under .500 as a starter over his 8 year career, and played three playoff games in which he went 1-2. He had one really good year going 12-3. Hi second of 2 pro bowl seasons he went 8-8. Hardly a remarkable career. Hasselbeck was 85-75 as a starter, and went 5-6 in the playoffs, including one Super Bowl in which he lost with a QBR of 67. One really good season of 13-3, two at 10-6, and the rest was mediocrity at best. Again, not a nobody, but hardly remarkable. Gannon had a middling career except for 3 seasons with Oakland, and that was his 13-15 seasons! In his other 15 seasons he was in the league he was 43-41. Brad Johnson won a Superbowl but was 1-3 in playoffs except for the SuperBowl year. Brunell was 78-73 as a starter. He did win a Super Bowl at 39. Rypien also won a Superbowl, and had a decent 3-4 years, but then again so did Trent Dilfer. All this says is that, if you ignore the huge number of players chosen this late and the anomolies that were Starr and Stauback from a bygone era, and if you ignore the really small percentage of guys that actually turned out to be mostly serviceable at best, except for Brady, there really ain't much to get too excited here over all of those years.

Do you really think that the BIlls had a choice of whomever they wanted with whom to trade Cordy Glenn, and that they simply chose number 12?? A trade like that is NOT just sitting there with multiple buyers all lining up to exchange first round picks for the chance at signing a LT that has been available for only 50% of the games the past two seasons and is coming off of foot surgery. That was nothing more than a bit of serendipity that the Bengals really needed a LT and were willing to roll the dice on Cordy for the exchange of two draft picks that added up to the right value for both teams. The Bills wanted him off of their cap so they could move on other free agents. The idea that they simply made that trade in response to discussions they had with the Colts is mind-boggling. This isn't Madden you know.

I NEVER said QB was "an afterthought," but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I simply made the point that all they have done thus far is made several personnel moves, each to simply maximize their flexibility both in free agency (via cap reduction), and in the draft. I am sure each time they have improved their position, they have re-evaluated the potential new opportunities that have opened up as a result, and have done their due diligence in assessing what the cost of those various opportunities will likely be. In assessing those new opportunities and their associated costs, I'm sure improving the QB position is seen as a high priority. But none of this activity should be deemed to have conclusively demonstrated that their singular purpose of these moves is for the purpose of getting into the top 5 to take a "top-rated" QB. And how do you know that they have even pinpointed a "franchise QB," let alone that he is one likely to fall in the top 2 or 5 picks? NOTHING they have done can possibly be viewed as having conveyed that impression. Unless you are sitting in those scouting/draft board meetings, you have no idea whatsoever where THEY see the value in this QB class. Moreover, shopping for players within a reasonable relation to their assigned values and sticking to them is hardly the definition of bargain hunting. It's called intelligent resource management. Everything said so far by Beane is consistent with his statement that they will NOT chase so that they don't overpay in value for any player. Where my boots are "dug in" is in the belief that the Bills finally have a coach and GM that know what they are doing. Beane has made it clear that establishing appropriate value and sticking to it is the key to success in this league, not getting caught in the hype of chasing a guy because suddenly there's a feeding frenzy over players that they have not valued commensurately with that hype. Right now, I have no reason whatsoever not to take Beane at his word. So if they decide that none of those guys are worth what the Giants require, and instead they decide to let the draft evolve, and a guy they like falls to a lower cost that they feel justifies the pick and they can make it happen there, great. If they wait and take a guy they like at 12 because they feel he's the right combination of cost and value, great. And if they are instead convinced that Rosen or Allen or Mayfield or Darnold is worth everything the Giants demand, I'm fine with that too. But I will be sorely disappointed if they simply give the Giants whatever they want because: 1) they have a draft and half's worth of picks; or 2) they get hyped into a "got to get a QB in the top 5 no matter what, because if they don't, they are going to be perceived by some to have failed."

Waiting until the 12th, the 22nd or even the second round is hardly blowing off the QB position. It is all about value. Teams that chase guys and grossly overpay in value are not successful over the long term.

I just do not agree with this analysis, and have seen it from a number of posters, as well as callers into GR. There are other reasons that can logically explain those two moves (or others that they have made before them) other than that they are hell-bent for leather to get to the top of the draft for a quarterback. They were ready to move on from Tyrod and had a looming $6 million dollar bonus, in addition to the cap savings from having him removed from the roster. They had free agents they wanted to sign and needed the cap space. Cleveland stepping up gave Tyrod a nice landing spot and we got a killer draft asset. As for Cordy, same thing. They were not interested in keeping a guy on the roster with his cap hit who was barely available for 50% of the past two seasons, expecially with Dawkins clearly demonstrating that he could handle the position for far less money. That the Bengals were there with a need and willingness to swap first round picks was a godsend, not some part of a series of pre-planned chess moves masterminded for the one singular end purpose of drafting a QB in the top 1-5 picks. They were instead an aggregate set of moves that served a number of purposes, only ONE of which was to improve their flexibility to improve the team in the draft. And while that no doubt included the QB position, it was certainly NOT to do so, ab initio, to the exclusion of the rest of the team. Every one of the moves they have made since the draft last year was with the idea of increasing their draft capital yes, but also to rid themselves of players that were not part of their current plans, thereby increasing cap space and changing the culture, as well as improving their overall draft assets. Until the season ended, they had no idea where they (or the Chiefs) would end up. Beane stated that before the combine, they were blowing off spending time with guys they KNEW they had no shot at getting sitting at 21 and 22, and those included impact players not QBs. So he unlikely did NOT know, at least to a certainty, that he was going to make those two deals for Tyrod or Cordy. This idea that the Bills were making all of these moves for only one reason, to get to the top of the draft for a top-rated QB prospect, presumes that there is some guy that they believe is worth all of that draft capital, and that they are going to chase that guy and pay whatever it takes to get him. This is not only assuming facts not in evidence, it is NOT the way these guys operate. Beane made it clear that they place values on players, and they trust those valuations and will abide by them. He said that he asks his guys to point out if he himself appears to be chasing a guy, and he said he will do the same with them. I think he is making it clear that they are NOT going to do what the Jets just did, which was to trade away assets and overpay just to "get one of those three top-rated guys, no matter which one..." These guys are going to place their values on each of those guys, and if it is going to cost them any more than a modest premium over their assigned value, they ain't going to do it. Period. This perception that they wouldn't have made the moves they have made unless they were going to get up to the top 5 come hell-or-high-water reads waaay more into it than is there. It certainly is possible that they covet one or two of them, but I also trust that they are not going to do whatever it takes to get them if the cost significantly exceeds their assigned value. I think it more likely that they do their due diligence, and then let the draft evolve, being prepared for several contingency plans. If they can get a guy they like without majorly exceeding their assigned value, they will. Otherwise, I think they will wait to see who drops out of the top 5 and if a guy they also like at the reduced cost is there, they will go that route. But I trust that they will not stray from the values they have assigned and will not chase a guy just because everyone thinks they are going to, or that they should.

me too! We're old now. But I wasn't then!

This ^^^ +1000. Excellent post.

Not unless you look at the last two games Tyrod started.

Yeah, and our opponents in Tyrod's last two games weren't anywhere near the level of the Bengals either. And Tyrod did have Karlos, who up to that point had played at least as well as McCoy, and he had Harvin. EJ had Watkins for half a game, and he dropped a third down conversion pass that hit him in the chest. This is beyond hilarious. Our back-up QB, who hasn't started a real game in over a year, hasn't had but minimal first team reps until this week since the third preseason game comes in and has a respectable game but because he makes a couple of mistakes, and isn't perfect, he's awful., he sucks, blah blah blah. But I suppose you thought Tyrod's been AWESOME the last two weeks, right?