Sundancer

I’ll ask again. What is the level of antibodies, assuming you get a test that determines same, that confers immunity and as a follow up, how does that wane so you can continue to feel confident? Hint. There’s only one right answer.

So wait. You want to test for antibody levels to determine a level of immunity when we don’t know what level of antibodies confers immunity. Perfect Timmy. Just perfect. Oh ok. So there are no super spreader events until we know a “significant” number of people catch Covid from it. Hahaha. You’re so careless with your words Timmy. Give up. Truth. We should have started vaccinating elsewhere once we did our at risk people but we’ve taken a different America First approach.

OK so the vaccines don’t work according to your definition. Spanish Flu didn’t die out also due to your definition. Gotcha. I didn’t realize you were a medical lexicographer! The vaccines prevent death and hospitalization. That’s pretty great. Sterilizing immunity seems to be strong for a time then wanes. Boosters and wider spacing between shots seems to give even more protection vs positive tests. Is it 100%. Nope. Is it the best tool we currently have. Yup. NYS being in a state of emergency is stupid and a political question not a scientific one. Hospitalizations in NY (darker red means worse).

That’s a straw man post to which no one here is taking the other side on most issues and quite a comedown from your vaccines don’t work post earlier this week. For the record, #1 has not yet been shown with this virus, #2 and #3 are the same, and #4 is pure speculation still. And the Spanish Flu H1N1 didn’t die out. Stop saying dumb things.

What level of antibodies--assuming you took one of the tests that measures antibody level--would show that you don't need the vaccine? Surely since this is your hypothesis, you know the number. And as a follow-up, at what rate does that level wane, because clearly you would not want to rely on that test forever? It is to laugh. OK, define a super spreader event. Beach said he attended one. His definition of any event where people gather to support Trump is actually pretty good. My definition is any event that annoys mask-wearing leftists. But you seem to have the "simple concept" locked up. What is the scientific definition for this "simple concept?" Closer to my definition--agreed. But I doubt this is what our resident immunologist Buffalo Timmy has in mind.

You talking to yourself?

You respond to a photo of a clown with a photo of a clown. About as original as you get.

You're a hype master

Initial actual data. still early but sorry Blitz if this messes up your scarefest. Oh ok so you can’t define it. Cool. Carry on.

I don't know what a super spreader is. Please define it.

Your anecdote proves there's no pandemic!

You were incorrect. Still are. "The vaccine doesn't work for most people after six months" is actually not accurate. And based on the fact taht you had no evidence when you made it, it's even less so. Choose your words. You think the antibody test is important to determine "who is the most at risk." Why do you think an antibody test would help that and also play some gatekeeper role for giving a vaccine?

I'd have thought we'd have tons of covid tests available. The feds promised half a billion a month of the famous saliva test press conference. But, well, the feds have promised a lot. Still the FDA's movement on all testing has been glacial and embarrassing. On antibody tests, the accuracy of these is mixed and further complicated because vaccines will show up as positive too. There's some science for you to look at regarding antibody test accuracy but as an experienced immunologist based on your past posts, you won't have trouble interpreting it.

You mean the virus isn't 100% contagious? No way.

You're the hype-master general. We don't know jack squat about how this spreads, how the vaccine protects against it, or how severe its infection is yet. We will shortly but calm down child.

No idea what that means. The vaccine works and we're figuring out for how long and what it's particularly good at. It's called "science." What you're doing is plucking a number here and there to support some pre-conceived notion you keep bringing to the table. Why haven't you compared hospitalizations now vs 2020 in the US? I keep asking and you keep not doing it. For fun, I'll do the work for you: 88K vs 46K. Call it half. Deaths 1800 vs 1000 (I'm being forgiving because the 7d average is actually under 1000). Call it half. Despite a mutations that is twice as contagious. Hospitalizations are still largely unvaccinated people and at-risk who are seeing vax effectiveness wane, especially when you account for % of pop vaccinated. But VACCINES DON'T WORK according to you. Keep spreading your idiot disease. I hope the older and at risk people in your life get the vaccination and I hope that you get it too. Dr. Trump could fix it even now but the Biden admin won't let him help. He has ideas. The best ideas. Drink bleach, take hydrochloroquine, and eat a light bulb.

Simple breakdown re memory T cells and advocacy for control until we can better help at risk populations. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00625-9 Happy for the folks of Cole County Missouri!

Cases. What is the largest group of people showing up in cases in NL? Waiting waiting waiting. 0-17. And there’s this gem out of the Netherlands. I’m shocked shocked I tell ya that you missed this. “In ICU, the proportion of unvaccinated patients dropped from over 80 percent in September to about 70 percent in October. The proportion of vaccinated Covid-19 patients needing hospital care is therefore increasing. According to the RIVM, this is a matter of relativity in the current wave of infections. Over 11 million Netherlands residents are fully vaccinated. And while they only stand a small chance of needing hospital care if they get Covid-19, a small chance times 11 million is still quite a few people in absolute number. “ Want to guess at the average age of a vaxxed patient who is hospitalized vs unvaxed and hospitalized in NL? The number is out there. But it doesn’t fit your VACCINES DONT WORK narrative. You were smart to run away from your last homework assignment.

Totally should be in an nfl front office bro. The Pegulas are missing out on your second guessing Beane.

I am, and a Bills fan too on a Bills message board! Never heard of this place with a population of 5000 though.

It's shocking you're not an NFL GM right?

A bunch of people know by now. Just not us.

The town of where?