Dr. Who

I definitely saw folks in the shoutbox saying Leroi said we were trying to trade up for Jones on Friday afternoon. I missed Leroi's actual post or shoutbox message.

This is smart.

I'd like a bit more than 1 out of 4 probability, but I agree with your basic point.

I don't take Reid's assessment as infallible or even especially acute. Mainly I reference his evaluation as a sign that a legitimate coach who was not dealing out of desperation chose to draft Mahomes top ten. It is not ridiculous to argue that Mahomes is a potential franchise qb, though individuals are free to judge differently, of course.

Coughlin was a much better coach when he learned to at least pretend to mellow a bit.

Well, I take it that Darnold, Rosen, and Allen are also assumptions. Andy Reid thinks Mahomes has the potential to be a franchise qb or he wouldn't have paid the price to go up and get him. Naturally, and I did not think it needed to be stated, when I say franchise qb, I mean a prospect with fairly good potential to be a franchise qb. Isn't that inherent in the draft when one is not selecting proven NFL commodities? Teams have missed on qbs taken at the top before. Let's see how certain the 2018 class looks a year from now and whether or not we are in a position to grab one. We know for sure we could have drafted Mahomes or Watson or Kizer for that matter.

I understand the injury factor, but that particular foot surgery often needs a second surgery. Afterwards, it is usually not a problem. Mediocre qbs at best, not targeting him enough, and now this. Not smart, imo.

Yes, that is the thought I keep hearing. Cleveland has two firsts and three seconds next year. If the team with the top picks is the Jets or SF, they will likely prefer the franchise qb. They simply won't trade out. Lots of moving parts. My point is the notion that we can just throw on another first and presto is way too optimistic. Meanwhile, Mahomes was available at #10 and we could have let him sit for a development year and not had to worry about obtaining a franchise qb.

Infatuation always wears off. As a writer, I know I can't rely on inspiration alone. It's too fickle. I think we are going to regret passing on Mahomes. We will need considerable fortune to end up with one of the top 2018 qbs. Those who think we can turn both 2018 firsts plus into a sure top two or three pick are blithely over-confident. We could easily be shut out; meanwhile, Mahomes could have been learning while the bridge qb continues to lack anticipation and the rookie shows anticipation but a pop gun arm, and the holdover project has a cannon and probably not much else.

Cleveland, Jets, SF, Pittsburgh, Cardinals, just off the top of my head, lots of teams will be jockeying to get one of the 2018 class. Cleveland has two ones and three twos. Jets and 49ers will not trade out. No guarantee OBD will end up with a chair when the music stops. Mahomes and Watson were birds-in-hand. I consider them potential franchise qbs. I would have taken Mahomes at ten. Unless the Bills are worse than their habitual "wretched mediocrity" it will cost them much more than the first and third they gained by trading out of ten. Peterman would have gone much earlier if he had a decent arm. He doesn't and I doubt his ceiling rises above okay backup. P.S. Forgot about the Chargers. Nice avatar. I somehow acquired a feral colony about ten years ago. I myself am servant to an ancient Persian.

Nicely played.

Popgun arm. Career backup at best unless his arm strength improves significantly.

He must mean Chad Kelly, no?

I read somewhere, and now I cannot recollect where, that McD was making all the calls on this draft, that he is very much a Taylor supporter, and that Whaley was the fella likely pushing for a Mahomes or Watson. (I rather liked Whaley and would have taken Mahomes at ten, btw.)

Agreed. Classless and lack of compassion often go together.

The rhetoric that counts for wisdom nowadays would make rocks cry.

McProcess.

Me, too. Now all we need is the new Jim Kelly.

It's not impossible that Whaley may read this board. Thank you for your efforts, Mr. Whaley. Nice job undermined by dysfunction. Best of luck and hope you land with a more rational organization.

I'm fine with a tank season. We need to be in the best possible position to draft qb in 2018.

Agree with most of this, but they have two fifths and a sixth. Unless new math = 3.

Yes, don't worry. You have job security for sure.

How about a thread for reasonable, prudential posters who don't simply emote a knee-jerk response every time?

I like Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson. I now hope, of course, the 2018 qb class still looks as strong a year from now. Scrutiny and the uncertainty of real life tends to alter things a bit. Clearly, the scenario you paint is plausible. I saw a list of five or six names, but the three you mention are the only ones I recall.

Presumably it allows one to package two ones to get higher in the first if need be.