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MASH was always a good fella. Glad he is here.

I am ambivalent about Allen based on what I have read about him. I have not seen him play, but the folks on this board who seem bright about qb seem uncertain or positively against him. So I am just going off what they have said. I've seen Mayfield and Jackson and think they have potential. Anyway, Allen has the measurables in abundance. Unless he really, really, really doesn't want to play for Cleveland. (And who could blame him)

Some folks want to spend crazy to move up. I am reticent to do that, but I do think your basic point is correct. If you identify a franchise qb and don't have one, you have to go get the fella. Just having one should make attracting free agents easier. Imo, Rosen and Darnold are the only qbs I would put in that class. I just doubt Cleveland or the Giants move off their pick if they are at #1 and #2 and that leaves you trying to grab third best qb on your chart. I have Mayfield and Jackson as targets more likely in our range. I think both have a chance at being very good qbs, but there are more question marks.

If we got Mayfield in the second I would be ecstatic. With the inflated value at qb, still think he gets picked mid first, maybe a bit later if Darnold enters the draft.

Probably going first overall.

Sadly, I am already focusing on the 2018 draft and hoping for Dahlin. What a mess.

Well, I like Rosen, but how do you see that happening realistically. Apparently we traded Tyrod Taylor and picks for the first pick in the draft. Even the Browns aren't that stupid. I love the idea of Hue Jackson as OC.

Yeah, if you sign Cousins, you are not going the bridge qb route. Then you take a developmental qb with a chance at upside. However, I'd take a shot at the enigmatic Josh Allen in that case, though you might have to use a first to do it.

What I really want to know is who is the second string qb on the Bills -- I hope its Mayfield.

I don' t claim to be a qb expert. I liked Watson and Mahomes in the last draft. Folks that seem more astute than I such as GunnerBill are not high on Allen. Not sure if inaccuracy is curable or not, but it's one of the important traits you want. Whoever is drafted (and I am assuming we will draft a qb high) bringing in a vet like you suggest is a good idea. (I also surmise Tyrod is unlikely to be back.) Certainly prefereable to the idea of "building around Tyrod."

Yikes. That's a heavy price for a team with lots of holes to fill. You're not trading into Cleveland or the Giants' spot, so you're likely looking at the third best qb on the board.

I like Mayfield and Jackson as qbs that might be there. Worried about Josh Allen. Looks like Tarzan, accuracy of Jane, but who knows, really?

He's got an outstanding WR corps and a conference that doesn't play defense. He seems pretty uninspiring to me.

Yeah, for some reason I forgot about the Ravens. Truth is, we sneak in, we get slaughtered most likely. So officially, I don't really care. This is what I tell myself, but come game day, no matter how awful we are, I can't help rooting, so unofficially, I hope we go 4 - 1, etc.

You don't think Miami games and the Colts are winnable? 9 - 7 probably does make the playoffs.

Romo is great. Insightful and likeable. And I suspect Barbarian is right about CBS.

I wouldn't want to trade Glen if he can get to a place where he is healthy most of the time. If we judge he can't, I'd consider trading him to move up if it would get Rosen. Your take is plausible, though I still wonder if Denver would be amenable. I'm likely to change my mind a lot once more scouting stuff comes out -- I'm not at all an expert on qb -- but I like Rosen and Mayfield the best. I'm guessing Darnold stays in school. I'd take Jackson if he fell to us; I don't think you have to trade up to get him.

Why wouldn't you just trade with SF? I think Denver knows they don't have a qb worth keeping on their roster. They are the competition.

They should hire Kevin Sumlin. A&M is ridiculous for letting him go. He's won plenty there.

Correct. OP talks about qb longterm, which implicitly refers to the 2018 draft. Those who are making it about this year are bad at reading or just want to perpetuate a useless and redundant argument.

Yep, but for some holding this view makes one a "hater."

Alright, I think making those kind of distinctions is a sign of intelligence. You think its a sign of bias. Have fun with that.

No one's complaining about the win, so far as I can see. And the Chiefs are plummeting -- losing to the Giants was indicative, so one has to contextualize first in their division.

I didn't say it doesn't matter. I responded to a sorta argument that made Taylor not throwing picks the singular basis for assessing his value.

If not throwing picks is all that matters, just don't throw the ball. Silly, reductionist argument. It's excellent that we beat a struggling team on the road. Doesn't validate TT as anything more than the most adequate qb currently on the roster. Most folks have figured this out.