Dr. Who

If you have a very good defense or a defense on a hot streak with lots of opportune turnovers, you can win games with a mediocre qb who avoids turnovers. I think most will grant that TT can win those kind of games. His limitations are obvious to anyone not blinded by irrational bias (and/or a member of the national media.) We'll be getting a new qb in 2018 and thankfully this prolonged, pointless discussion will go the way of EJ and Orton and a dozen other failed qbs.

I would rather spend FA money bolstering OL and DL and try and get a young, cost controlled qb with franchise qb potential who can play for fifteen years. But see, I like Mayfield and I think you can get him without sacrificing all your draft capital to move up and get him; but you will have to move up, imo.

I'm sure there are folks who go by quantifiable metrics. That can be helpful; I'm not dismissing analytics. But I don't spend time on that, so I can't offer that kind of criteria. Nor am I an expert, just a fan on a message board. I'll leave off fellas like Brady, Brees, Rodgers who are elite and future HOF guys. To me, a guy like Romo was borderline top ten. He was top ten if you discount playoff failures. Current crop, I think a guy like Carr is top ten, though this year he was not. I don't know if that was injury or not. Cousins has decent numbers. He might fall in top ten by criteria that just looks at completion percentage and yardage. OTOH, he doesn't seem clutch. I don't think he elevates the play of those around him. I think he's a pretty good qb, but not worth the price tag he will likely garner. Seems to me I recollect his coach making rather snide comments about him recently. I don't think Gruden would have done that if Washington planned on trying to keep him. And I guess that this implies Cousins probably is not keen to stay there either.

He's not top ten, imo, Shaw. He's definitely not a 30 million dollar a year qb, which is what he might end up getting. Seems to me that would completely subvert the attempt to get the cap to a nice, friendly place for us. Don't know much about the oline draft, but guys on offense this team could use: Baker Mayfield, Sony Michel, Christian Kirk.

Peterman's first game historically bad. Zay's first season, historically bad. Better hope the braintrust figures out offense.

Picking Rudolph over Mayfield would indeed anger me. He's not nearly as good.

You're right. I googled franchise qb tree and there's no such thing.

I concur with the chorus here. I have a feeling you'd have trade up in the second to get him, though. Hopefully we have some draft capital left after securing a franchise qb (probably Mayfield based on availability).

Cousins will command more than his worth; could get close to 30 million per year, which would lose all the cap management effort OBD has done. We should trade up for Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield.

I highly doubt Mayfield makes it to #21. Rudolph is a third round prospect, imo, but he will be overdrafted because of the position.

Yeah, I would think that would get you Mayfield. I also like Darnold, but you will have to sell a really large farm as you surmise.

I would sell a pretty good sized farm for Mayfield.

As an UGA fan, I like the enthusiasm, but a trade up for this team should only be for qb. (And it's Roquan, btw.) I don't like Mason Rudolph, but I suppose I'd be okay with taking him in the second. Mocks before FA are really too early, because you don't know what areas may have been shored up.

I am surprised to hear such enthusiasm from you. You are generally in the very skeptical, more critical than not camp when it comes to evaluating qb. And to be fair, most qbs don't work out. I don't claim to have superior scouting skills or anything, but I am also high on Mayfield so I hope he is a target for us. Just out of curiosity: you seem to be placing a lot of value on Mayfield's college production. How do you distinguish between valuing college production in this case and perhaps dismissing it with air raid qbs like Mahomes?

Well, from your posting history, its sometimes hard to tell when you are serious and when you are joking. I have nothing against the fella who I wouldn't know from Adam. If he turns into a gem, you'll certainly have bragging rights.

Isn't OP the fella who asked if Kyle Orton deserved a place on the wall of fame? This has got to be another joke that folks are taking seriously. Why OP thinks its amusing to start this kind of thread I can't account for.

It's always the year after the current draft.

UGA -- Already mentioned and I've posted numerous times already on this. Roquan Smith and Sony Michel are going to be really good, but you probably have to trade up for Smith and you might have to take Sony in the 2nd. I also agree with the fellow Dawg fan who is skeptical about Chubb in the pros.

Yeah, it's a pretty complicated calculation. My preference is for Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield. Allen has crazy arm talent, but a lot of question marks. He's a gamble I'd be worried about trading up for. Jackson I would not trade up for, but hypothetically, if he and Rudolph are sitting there at #21, I prefer Jackson.

I like Mayfield a lot. I doubt he falls to #21. Rudolph probably will be there, but I am not impressed with him. I just think qb is too crucial for long-term success to not take a more proactive approach. I am hoping Mayfield drops just enough that a less expensive trade up becomes possible. If you do just wait for the draft to come to you, I'd much prefer Jackson. I can see a team falling in love with his athleticism and taking him early, but he could also be sitting there at #21. If you take Jackson, however, you better have a decent vet as a bridge qb, because he needs to sit and learn (and of equal importance, put on muscle and weight so the league doesn't RG3 his career.)

I am not a fan of Smith, but I do think he's an upgrade over Taylor. I would not invest a high draft pick to acquire him. He's only acceptable as a bridge qb, which means you better get the franchise qb in round one. Love your avatar, btw.

Why? He's a great player. My favorite D player in the draft, though a DT like Hurst is probably just as important to improving the team. I really want a qb, but if it doesn't play out that we can acquire a franchise qb, R. Smith is a nice consolation prize.

Yeah, one legit super bowl without cheating and blatant ref bias is worth more than 6 Kraft Wrestlemania titles.

Yes, I agree. I've always been skeptical about Rosen or Darnold being available. Arguing cost is just in terms of an unlikely hypothetical. Identifying qb #3 and whether or not he is truly a potential franchise qb is crucial. He's a polarizing player. I like him quite a bit. Others like Rudolph who I am not keen on. Don't suppose anyone really knows though.

I am guessing it takes the 3 #1's, a #2, and then at least another high pick and/or player combo. It will be very expensive. I like Darnold, but I don't think he's can't miss. Not sure anyone is. My top three are Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield in that order. Allen has off-the-charts arm talent, but lots of concerns. I would trade up and pay a significant price for Rosen or Darnold. I would make a more modest trade up to secure Mayfield. Talent is probably there this year, but there are a ton of teams wanting qb. I think we should have taken Watson or Mahomes last year, though there's no denying Tre White is a very nice player.