Dr. Who

I'm not against drafting him if OBD determines he is worth the risk. I kind of like him, but this seems to me a fair, well-reasoned argument.

Seems to me urgency is an equivocal factor. It could work for you just as much as against.

I kinda do. If you are talking moving into the six to ten range, I think you can package 12 and a second. If it costs more, I don't think it costs 22.

I'd be surprised if Darnold isn't the first qb off the board. I'm okay with taking a shot on Allen, especially if it is at #12.

Your initial post ended in the middle of an incomplete sentence. After a trip through the Twilight Zone, you return to spew out ridiculous hypotheticals. If you don't know trading for both 1 and 4 is impossible, you are ignorant. If you do, you are wasting folks' time to get a reaction. That's juvenile to say the least. Reasoning cannot provide logic to a stupid proposal.

. . . someone cut the line apparently.

Temperament and individual character are a complex mix. It isn't a simple diagnosis, so what is a positive contributor with one person might work against another. To many elements to be able to quickly discern, imo. I don't care about Rosen's quirky personality. I worry about the concussions. You better build a strong oline. That's always important, but with a somewhat lean fella with a history of concussions and poor pocket awareness (at least, that's what Mayock says, I don't know,) you better emphasize protection. Anyway, I like Rosen, but he's not my first choice.

This is a big game in that regards. Yotes are the chief competition for worst record.

Seriously, 26. You must have been napping

Yeah, that's too much. If that's the price, I'm staying at twelve and taking Jackson or trading up to six or seven if Mayfield is available.

Would you rethink it to the point of trading up to #2 for Allen? (I am not being snarky; genuinely asking.)

This is my surmise as well.

Yeah, he probably does. I just wouldn't pay much to get him, certainly not 22 and 65. I want a young fella that can be around ten years or more if he works out.

Allen is high ceiling, low floor. I wouldn't trade up to 2 for him, but if Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and Jackson were all gone by 12 (highly doubtful,) I admit I would pull the trigger, though I think the odds are against Allen working out. I'd rather take a shot at the high ceiling than take Rudolph there, that's for sure.

Beane thought he was more clever than all of them -- and you saw right through all his smoke

Do I want to pay a first and third round pick for a 37 year old qb who might be done? Hmm.

Let me see, according to some, the Gmen working out Rosen means we might not even get to take the third round prospect Rudolph at twelve. Does this mean we are trading up to two for Rosen? Or maybe none of it actually implies anything with rational certitude.

I think this is a credible argument. The hypothetical you put together ought to be enough if the Giants are interested in moving #2.

Or some fella made a guess and claimed it was inside info.

Well, maybe he has some of Tom Brady's secret sauce. If he's that good, I'm okay with it, of course.

Good grief, we're going to corner the market on 30 year old rbs and ancient lbs.

If you're waiting for Elway or Luck to justify trading significant resources for a chance at franchise qb, you will wait a long time. Not only are they rare, whoever is bad enough to merit the first pick is surely not going to trade away the pick unless forced as the Colts were with regards to Elway. The top fellas in this draft have enough good qualities to be considered potential franchise guys and that's enough.

I agree with your general point. I don't think this is a particularly deep draft from my reading, but that actually means you should concentrate your resources early in the draft. Regardless, if we don't take a shot at franchise qb this draft, I don't think we ever will.

Trapasso's enthusiasm has caused folks to wonder if he shares an agent with Mr. Rudolph. The Steelers aren't planning on taking Rudolph at #12 overall.

You have wildly overvalued Rudolph.