Dr. Who

Just draft E. St. Brown; same receiver, better character, rookie contract.

Mad Hatter isn't dull. Why so serious?

To each his own. I like the top four. I think Rosen and Mayfield are the safest picks. I am inclined to risk for upside. Darnold is a risk, but I like his creativity. Allen is more of a risk, but I don't find it implausible that he could develop into an exceptional talent. Too bad so many of you are just sure he will be terrible. I even rather like Jackson. If we stick at 12 and the top four are gone, I'm okay taking Jackson. The only thing that would anger me is taking Rudolph at 12 as I think he is a third round qb. Might as well wait and get White or Lauletta in that case.

I think he is, but he also has a high ceiling. Have to trust your team's evaluation, whatever it is; in general, I'd rather try for the fella that could be exceptional than go for a fairly certain mediocrity. A really good player with a higher floor would be preferable, though, imo.

Allen is certainly not the least risky. I like him, but it's a gamble.

I'm ambivalent about Bryant. I do think some of his drop in production is due to lack of chemistry with Prescott and change in offense. A different kind of qb could probably elicit better results.

Well, pocket passer, yes, but I was talking big as in physically large. 6'3" is fine, but he looks slight.

My impression is that Beane wants a big pocket passer. Some think he might be interested in Josh Allen because of arm strength and size comparison to Cam. One of the concerns with Jackson, merited or not, is whether he can hold up. Is he likely to be another RG3 or not? I don't think your surmise is completely implausible, but it is counter to most of what I have heard/read.

Being called out by some posters is actually an indication that you are a good contributor.

I would make that trade if that is the cost. What happens if Browns take Allen?

Oh, I understand, and I wouldn't actually punch the fella . . . maybe offer a strongly worded rebuttal. Both mocks were offered as a kind of dueling effort. It was the contrast with Rosen at 7 that was particularly galling.

Bad idea which fortunately will not happen.

No doubt, Allen is the bigger risk. I am not a fan of Rudolph, so I cannot be as tolerant of possibilities as you. Bucky Brooks had us taking Rudolph at twelve last night in a mock draft; another fella from Fox Sports or some such had us moving up to 7 and taking Rosen. I wanted to punch Brooks, even though he was wearing a nice pastel Mr. Rogers sweater.

I actually like all the top four. Darnold and Allen seem to me the riskiest of the four, but also may have the higher ceilings.

I think 12 is in the ballpark.

What round is E. St. Brown likely to go in? Like him and Chark for WR.

I pushed for Watson and Mahomes. Going a different direction is fine if you land the franchise qb.

That was a nice game for EJ. Too bad it played out the way it did . . .

I think Whaley was only nominally in charge of last year's draft.

Folks are overlooking the added bonus that you could change the nameplate and suddenly that humiliating old EJ jersey is golden.

It's some kind of weird, mutant Stockholm Syndrome where fans become defenders of the habitual bad strategy of plugging holes and deferring on qb.

OTOH, Rudolph and Allen are not Dalton and RG3. No one knows for sure how they will end up and in reality, a career is dictated by good or bad fortune as much as innate ability and work ethic. Going to the right team with the right system for you, good coaching, surrounding talent, staying healthy, etc. will play a significant role in whether one has a successful career. However, natural talent will determine the limits of one's potential. Imo, Rudolph's ceiling is Dalton. I don't think Beane and Co. are aiming for an average qb. In retrospect, a bust is a bust, but Allen has the potential to be very good. If evaluators at OBD see a rational path to developing his talent and think he has the intelligence, character, and temperament to be a franchise qb, they should prefer him to any mediocre talent.

As opposed to Rudolph? Not much boom there.

Any idea why? Rule changes, player development at the college level, just not enough big guys with requisite athleticism? Is there something about this era of football that makes it harder to find o-lineman?

My computer glitched. Sorry about the double post. Fixed it. I am relaying the evaluations I read on the board by folks who seem insightful to me. I personally don't know about Bodine and Newhouse. I am pretty confident Ducasse isn't any good. I am sorta hoping Miller rebounds. If it was a system fit problem, maybe we will find a way to maximize his potential with the new OC.