Dr. Who

So, I surmise you are thinking trade for AJ Green or Julio? I'd be surprised if this regime would be interested in Antonio Brown given his locker room antics.

Metcalf and Golden Tate work for me.

I don't think I could, but I'll feel a whole lot better about it if we sign at least one good tackle and veteran center in free agency.

Given the huge dead money regarding this year's roster and the minimal talent on offense, this was never likely to be a successful year in terms of record. This year was about development of the young players, especially at qb and mlb. If you have a potential franchise qb with arrow up, you have hope. Lot of folks thought Allen was two years away from even seeing the field. Turns out the fella can play a little. Next year, folks will wants wins, but for this year, we did about as well as one could rationally hope for.

This has been talked about before, but evaluation on offense is generally a problem. Wr, te, rb, oline -- I don't have a lot of confidence in these fellas. Daboll appears to have been right about Foster. Maybe he will have a good sense of the value of Jonah Williams. Anyway, I think they know more investment has to be made in offensive personnel, so hopefully they hit more than they miss.

Now the Allen is not good and analytics prove it crowd is going to have to deal with optimism and folks liking Allen for a whole off-season. Life is just so unfair . . .

I like Metcalf. As of right now, you could probably trade down and get him later in the first.

Buddo is always worth the read. Love your response Shaw. Only caveat is I recall Dawkins struggling early at RT last year. Seems he is best on the left. I'd like a really good LT and move Dawkins to LG. Vet center, Teller at RG, new RT. We need three new pieces, imo. Not sure if the really good LT is there or not. I am reading conflicting reports on Jonah Williams.

One draft where franchise qb was the main target is not a lot of sample size. Then, Edmunds fell to a place where Beane felt it was worth moving up again. Trade ups this year would more strongly indicate a penchant, but I wouldn't rule out a trade down.

You didn't miss anything. When I was a wee lad and there was no internet, had to walk for miles just to get to the little school house with a wood fire, I had the utterly naive belief that fellow Bills' fans were hearty, intelligent, decent folk -- and lots of them are, but like the rest of the human race, there are plenty of dopes.

I was recapitulating analyses I have read and heard from other members here. I certainly don't know. If Williams is truly an elite LT, he should be the first option in the draft.

I keep hearing that Jonah Williams is better suited to play guard. I think that might be true of Dawkins as well. Greg Little is supposedly the most talented LT, but folks question his desire to play football. What happens in free agency will obviously dictate a lot. The oline absolutely has to be a priority, but the value is defense at the top of the draft. I'd take a Josh Allen for the defense if he is there, but he probably won't be. I like DK Metcalf at wr, but #9 is too early.

I defer to your insight here. Anderson seems to have been a helpful presence as well. Nothing will help more than an improved oline, a #1 wr, a te, and a rb under thirty who is good.

Or maybe like Steve Young or John Elway, he'll be a dual threat for a long, successful career.

I suspect he may be gone before nine, but it's really too early to project.

I just read 9th and it sounded like that is likely to stick.

I am repeatedly told this by clever people who do a lot of research. I'm just an old guy who has watched a lot of football, so my opinion don't mean much, but he sure looks like a keeper to me.

You are certainly a donkey's donkey. Welcome to the ignore club.

Yes, but traditionally we always win these games. I think the Phish are going to fall flat and send Gase his walking papers.

Hoping for the next Brady but thinking Allen is "highly unlikely" to be a successful NFL qb seems to me compatible with pessimist as I understand it. Pessimist doesn't mean "rooting for Allen to be bad." I liked Allen before the draft and I am encouraged by his overall play, so it's evident our criteria and sensibility differ greatly. I really don't see Jackson and Allen as the same type of player, though both obviously are garnering benefit from running ability. You seem to have put a lot of time and effort into scouting Allen. I don't think you're insincere or stupid. I do not spend that kind of time in analysis. My life is invested elsewhere too much and I doubt I have the acumen to do the close analysis some on here do. I have watched a lot of football over a fairly long life and I'm going to stick with my holistic vision of a fella, even if the number crunchers think differently. Regrettable that you think my tone is condescending. I also wish you a happy new year.

The team is 5 - 10 and with the talent on offense, it was never going to be a competitive team. If you develop a franchise qb, you have the most important piece in being a long-term playoff team. So you think the fan base is irrational to be caring more about qb potential this year?

Yep. Are these folks projecting the same kind of stark absolutes they frequently engage in onto those they disagree with or are they using a sophist tactic of replacing actual counter-arguments with ridiculous straw men and then asking folks to defend what nobody asserts?

You're already walking him out the door and I'm halfway to buying his jersey (to be sure, I'm waiting till next year because maybe you're right and I'm wrong.) I've been watching football for fifty years. I do not scrutinize numbers. I am not seeing the trainwreck you are. Allen seems to me very much a promising rookie.

Yeah, when I say they I really mean the players and not the coaches who I am rather skeptical of with regards to evaluation of offensive talent. You are an analytics guy, hated the pick, and have mostly remained pessimistic through the year. I am seeing the same performance and perceiving hopeful signs of light. Our criteria and sensibility are just different. I'm guessing next year will clarify any ambiguity.

I thought your response to what appeared to me a rather thoughtful post was pithy and dismissive. It's just easy to respond to a long post with a brief pejorative. Possibly you didn't intend that. I think Allen's performance is not properly gauged by statistics. I think that was the main point of the other fella's post. I'm personally not bothered by "bottom-dwelling" because I believe much of that is due to surrounding talent and a rookie qb who is still learning to read NFL defenses. No doubt, Allen has to improve. I think it is likely he will and you don't. I am not an analytics guy and maybe your pessimism will prove correct. I think the team believes in Allen. I think they think he's going to be a good one and probaby have a better feel than what the numbers are saying right now.