Dr. Who

Okay, I'm certainly convinced of your sincerity. My assessment is far more sanguine. As a Bills' fan, you better hope I am right.

If you really watched all the games, are you able to process any of the counterarguments to your rather dogmatic position? Do contextual elements like a predictable, run-first offense, or poor surrounding talent in 2017, etc. in any way modify your evaluation criteria? Does the interlocutor who actually attended many of the games have superficial points, because it doesn't seem to me you have really engaged them? We'll see how it turns out, but you have taken a position with no wiggle room.

Just as scores below 30 are apparently indicative of autistic tendencies, I suspect scores close to 80 would indicate some kind of disordered lack of sense of self. Anyway, that's how I'm going to justify 50 as just about right . . .

I pushed for drafting Mahomes last year. I am thrilled we passed on him, because Allen is the better prospect with fewer flaws to overcome.

Perhaps the mods could move this to the appropriate forum . . .

I think this is supposed to be in the PPP forum or some such. Folks are going to get mad. (Well, someone already did before I could even post this.) I actually feel retrospectively sorry for Nixon. He was a choir boy next to Obama, Clinton, and the deep state machine. But when you have main stream media, public education, and Hollywood manufacturing the propaganda for you, that's how it is. We'll see if there are enough old school liberals with integrity. I am skeptical, but there is enough evident excrement hitting the fan that it will be hard for the "protected class" to skate entirely.

Premature Consternation is often a sign of immaturity?

You can make plausible arguments supporting or opposing any of the top qbs selected in the draft. It's a little odd, however, that one should take rumored reports of Josh Rosen lighting it up in OTAs and the opinions of DJ & Brooks as indicative of Rosen's future. At the same time, you counsel those who like Allen to "at least see what he does before thinking he's somewhat good." Alright. None of these fellas has played in the NFL, so maybe we should all just say nothing and wait and see how it goes. OTOH, message boards are here so folks can speculate and supposedly enjoy talking about their team. You don't really expect folks to just shut up and if you do, why don't you? I don't presume to know the future. Apparently, however, you have certitude: "EVERY stat & Game you watch of his, shows he's not going to make it." Strangely, there actually were genuine pro scouts and teams that were unaware of this. Beane appears to think Allen actually can be a very good pro qb. He must lack your superior acumen. Unlikely all five fellas drafted in the first hit, but I am guessing more than one is good. Allen's unique background (late bloomer, tiny CA farm town, juco, Wyoming team with little talent in 2017 contextualize the stats). What doesn't show up are elements that are qualitative; such have significance for a holistic evaluation of a player. You won't get any of that from watching Youtube. Perhaps the professionals at OBD have more data points to consider than you have avaliable to you. I think Allen has a chance to be very good, but I am not asserting knowledge today about an unknown future. I think Rosen may have durability issues; he may ironically turn into Sam Bradford 2.0 with Jay Cutler's personality -- or perhaps he is the superstar in waiting you proclaim.

Nicely played.

Well, imo, it diverted into discussions that had little or nothing to do with the Buffalo Bills. I am interested in philosophical theology, epistemology, metaphysics, and the like. I surmised such subjects far too tangential to merit a place in a putative sports' forum. Some folks appeared to use the topic as a pretext to mock religion or suggest that McDermott may be a fascist who preferred Allen to Rosen for prejudicial, non-football reasons. That doesn't seem legitimate or reasonable to me, though, of course, that does not characterize the entire thread.

I agree with this. Darnold and Allen may have more risk. I also think they have higher ceilings. Bills' evaluators, however, may even have concluded that a fella like Rosen was just as much a risk as Allen (factoring in durability concerns or locker room fit) with less upside. No way to know how a player matches an individual team's criteria. Almost impossible to eliminate risk from the equation, particularly at qb.

I liked his schtick when he was here. In retrospect, he was just awful. Attempts to accelerate the rebuild were almost uniformly a fail and he misjudged the trend of where the NHL was going. I"m trying to go with the silver-lining argument that extended misery allowed us to get both Eichel and Dahlin. Hope Botteril follows an intelligent, patient path to excellence.

And yet ten pages of speculation regarding Sean McDermott's "faith, family, football" mantra was allowed before the conversation was shut down. I was going to warn BB@Shooter that someone was bound to object to such an analogy, but you have anticipated it.

I was one of the few Allen enthusiasts before the draft. Nothing I have read or heard since has done anything to decrease my hope for this kid. I think he's going to be a good one.

Okay, I basically agree, but Kiper had Allen rated as his number 1 qb so . . .

LOL. Me, too.

I certainly think you're a bright fella with a reasonable criteria. I suspect you have to project and gamble more than you appear willing to do, but I'm no expert. So, I don't dismiss all criticism or alternative views. All the same, imo the negative response on this board is due to significant reliance on the kind of nerd blogger analytics alluded to.

EJ Manuel with actual talent would have been the real deal.

If Allen was not a late-bloomer from a tiny California farm town, he would not have had to go the Juco to Wyoming route. His partcular history is rare. A counter-history is necessarily speculative, but I do believe that had Allen been in a top program, his numbers would have been significantly better and he would have gone first overall to Cleveland.

I like the optimism and I am very bullish on Allen's future, but has Simms taken into account the quality of the oline? They'll have to at least attain mediocrity for his prediction to be credible.

Agreed. Even if the commitment were existentially equal, concussions are sufficiently different to place them in a different category. There's a reason the NFL is going out of its way to try and reduce head injuries. Athletes have retired because of multiple concussions. Troy Aikman is an example. They can create life-threatening conditions. All athletes know this, but as Rosen's father is a surgeon, one surmises he would be especially informed and conscious of the dangers.

That's a plausible guess as to the source of this proverbial wisdom. I may be mistaken, but I seem to recollect Trent Dilfer scoffing at taking completion percentage out of context as signifying accuracy. (This was in an interview with Rich Eisen.) In any event, surely some offenses that use a lot of bubble screens and the like or Air Raid style systems will have inflated completion percentages. I can't see how by itself it could be a legitimate predictor of future success in the pros.

The vocal contingent is placing ego above the success of the Buffalo Bills. McD will tell Beane they are not buying into the Process. Next thing you know, Beane will be trading them to another message board for a bag of donuts.

Arizona should sign him to mentor Josh Rosen.

His real name is actually Worf, son of Mogh. Tremaine Edmunds is his nickname.