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Not sure how we overpaid for epenesa he got a 2 year 12 million dollar deal. He has 20 sacks over the last 3 years. Guys with less production are signing deals for much more. If he had the same production for another team over that time and we signed him as a FA people would be excited

Could certainly roster 2 more but generally we only keep 5

We are likely going to carry 10 dlineman. 5DT and 5DE. With the signing yesterday I think we are probably done with vet dline unless we can make a trade from Hendrickson. We will likely sign a vet DT and then draft a DE and DT early. I wouldn’t be surprised with a 1 year deal for Calais Campbell. DE: draft pick epenesa solomon 3T: oliver Campbell carter 1T: jones draft pick DE: Groot hoecht use test of FA for corner and saftey

Everyone is overreacting there are still a ton of options out there give me chardavious ward, Darius slayton and Bobby brown!

So if you didn’t sign those 2 and signed DK what are you doing at MLB and DE. Minimum type players? I would rather go with what we have at wr and add a guy like Palmer and a draft pick and actually spend out money on defense. Getting ride of those guys to sign their replacement isn’t making us better

I wanted metcalf and the 2nd round pick is a not a problem but giving him 33 million a season is a bit much for his production. I also really don’t like a 5 year deal that take him to 32 years old and his game his not one that would translate once he starts to decline physically.

Groot and Benford are the clearly the 2 best players on defense. Followed probably by Bernard and Oliver. So we have locked up 3 of our 4 best players on that side of the ball. Rather than letting these 4 guys walk and trying to replace them we should be focused on replacing the guys that worst players. We will have the cap space and will continue to have the space to sign our good players and bring in guys through FA and the draft.

That’s where we disagree. I feel he is already an above average defensive end that is 24 years old and ascending. He played 1 year in college. Hendrickson in is first 4 years before signing his deal with cincy had 20 sacks. Groot in his first 4 years has 25. He is an elite run defender gets a lot of pressure.

I am really not understanding the hate on this deal. It feel like people are living in the mid 2000s cap era . We have him locked up for 5 more years until his age 29 season for an average of 18.6 million a year. Within the next year or two the top tier guys are going to be in the 35-40 million a year range with the current and future cap. Most of these guys will also be in their late 20s or early 30s. Having a guy like up for his prime at half that number seems pretty good

For all those saying you don’t like this and want to move on that’s not how you get better. You keep good players and add more around them. Moving on from groot to get Hendrickson you are improving but not drastically. Keep king groot and trading for Hendrickson or signing sweat while moving on from epenesa or miller is how you actually get over the hump.

You could easily make it work. Between groot von and epenesa they were scheduled to have cap hits combined of 33 million. Griots extension probably frees up 8-9 million. If von takes a pay cut that is another 7-8 million and then trade or release epenesa gets you another 3.5. So just the savings you get for DE this year through those moves can give you almost 20 million for a guy like Hendrickson or sweat

thanks for the info. I think I saw previously that this makes him the 8th highest paid DE. Hendrickson and sweats deals will likely be more this offseason so that puts him at 10th right in line with where his stats are. what people are not realizing is the cap has gone up consistently and will continue to do so. In 3 years when this extension will really kick in the cap will be 75 to 100 million more. Tre Hendrickson signed a 4 year deal in 2020 worth 60 million. When he signed that deal he had 20 sacks in is 4 year nfl career. 2020 salary cap 198 million 2025 salary cap- 279 million This deal for groot is very similar at 4 year 80 million. Yes 20 million more but the cap went up 81 million and will continue to. Groot has had 25 sacks in 4 years

We can free up a lot of room pretty easily: Von cut or pay cut - 8 million Allen ext. or restructure- 11 million dawkins restructure- 9.8 million oliver restructure- 8.7 million That alone without cutting anyone frees up 36 million Restructure Knox- 6.7 million extend groot- 9.7 million extend McGovern- 4.7 Million this fees up another 21 million and we still have not cut 1 person there are other saving moves that could be made as well. What won’t happen is cutting Milano, Samuel, Knox. Cutting Milano reduces cap 1.5 million cutting Knox reduces cap 6.6 million cutting Samuel reduces cap 3 million Besides miller the only cuts that really save decent money are: Epenesa- 3 million in savings edwards- 4 million in savings tribusky- 2.5 million in savings

getting these guys signed now let’s you know what their contracts will look like for years to come before getting to free agency. These extensions actually help us know how to structure free agent deals and what space we will have not just this year but in the years to come. also with the cap continuing to explode this is actually a pretty cheap deal. I think people are going to have some sticker shock when FA opens. pre free agency this makes Bernard the 8-10th high paid linebacker. By the time this extension actually kicks in he is likely in the 15-20 range and only 25 million is guaranteed

If this gets done it also opens up the possibility of cutting or trading epenesa and saving 3.5 million. you could potentially include epenesa in a package for Hendrickson. Hendrickson for 2nd, 4th, and epenesa 2025 Defensive Ends: (Hendrickson, Groot, von, 2nd rounder, Solomon) looks pretty solid to me