Bill from NYC

If I trust in you Oh please Don't run and hide If I love you too Oh please Don't hurt my pride like her 'Cause I couldn't stand the pain And I Would be sad If our new love, was in vain

Cool. I mean, I wasn't there lol. Eliott told me about this in a 30 minute or so converstion that I had with him. He also talked about matching up against Bruce Smith. It was the deepest insight I ever had into the NFL. He did specifically tell me that he "coached" Peters. I told him how impressed I was by the way Peters was strong enough to move defenders out by extending his arms. Jumbo implied that he was stronger than Peters in his playing days . I am really not making this up.

Peters was signed by the Bills as a UDA. This is true but he was cut before the season and worked out with the Giants. The Bills then signed him again, this time to the practice squad. Jumbo Elliot told me that he coached Peters for a short time. If you scroll down it does mention the cut. It doesn't say how long he waited to be signed again. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2425017-jason-peters-tells-his-story-of-the-undrafted-road-to-nfl-success

LOL I must edit that! I took him already Bro! @Draconatoris on the clock

I am going to step outside of the SEC for this pick LOL! The Patriots select Cade Otton - TE - University of Washington. I did so because on video, I like the way he reaches for passes that are not thrown right at him and brings them in. He also looked good at making plays in or near the endzone. So, in this draft, picking in the 20s, we were able to bring in: Treylon Burks - A big, solid receiver who is hard to cover, and has good hands. Darian Kinnard - A very well coached player who was a good OT in college and now projects to guard. Cade Otton - A solid looking TE who would seem to have a decent ceiling and a not so low floor. I feel lucky that all three of these players were still there when I picked. I also hope that this scenario doesn't play out because it would be a big boost to the Patriots. Thanks to Virgil and all participants. 👍 @Draconatoris on the clock.

Peters was with the Giants initially.

😁 Was Colin Brown as bad as Marcus Spriggs? I thought Spriggs was the worst guard ever. I don't think that he ever completed a successful block lol!

A close friend of mine met Kent Hull in Vegas after one of the Super Bowls against Dallas. He had a few drinks with him; I saw the pictures. He claims that Hull told him that he couldn't do anything vs. Leon Lett and that Lett was just too big and strong. This is not to say that Hull wasn't a very good player. He was, but the game was rapidly changing in terms of size back then.

Correct. It was an idiotic pick to run away from a HOF QB to draft a corner.

Some people really do enjoy pain. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/masochism

I want to help you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Are you trying to put me in the hospital?

For about 15 minutes. 😉

I had a very high grade on Dak as well. The reason he dropped was because he got a DUI shortly before the draft. I remember countless people defending him, saying that he was really not prone to this sort of behavior. I REALLY wanted the Bills to grab him early. Instead, we waited and grabbed the great Cardale Jones.

I wonder what Marcus Spriggs is up to? Should we change the subject and discuss Terrence Pennington?

Yep. Have a wonderful day.

There were bells on a hill But I never heard them ringing No, I never heard them at all 'Til there was you There were birds in the sky But I never saw them winging No, I never saw them at all 'Til there was you

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2013 http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2017 I am thinking that 2013 was worse, but I'm willing to listen to reason. Agree 100%!!!

Nice pick. He played inside on a very complicated defense and is a clutch player.

I think that it shows what I have said numerous times. This is the worst draft since the one with EJ Manuel. In any case, the Eagles kicked ass imo.

You obviously don't know half of the story or more likely, refuse to recognize the truth. Your pointless quip about "half of the riders being alive' is utterly ridiculous. Are you making a claim that the crime rates are not WAY up? Are you tring to make any point at all or just peddle an ideology? You make it sound as if Long Island is a low income area. It isn't, nor is it unusual to pay in the area of $15K in property tax for a small cape. And btw, the people leaving the city are not your blue collar working class. They are mostly rich white people who send their kiddies to segregated private schools for 40 or 50K per year, per child. So, they can easily plunk down a cool million dollars for a house and pay 30K in property tax and come out way ahead, especially if they have multiple kids. And like you said, the opportunity to work remote changes things. It saves them the HUGE expense of the Long Island Railroad and the dangers of the subway system. As annoying as some of these above mentioned folks can be, they are the tax base. The city is in big trouble but as I said, it has bounced back before.

Lilac rain, unbroken chain Song of the saw-whet owl Out on the mountain, it'll drive you insane Listening to the winds howl Unbroken chain of sorrow and pearls Unbroken chain of sky and sea Unbroken chain of the western wind Unbroken chain of you and me

In this world I'm living in, I see the light Sins are gone, now I know what is wrong and right Morning came on slowly, pushing back the night It's good times now that I can see the light On this road I'm walking, on I see my way Paradise I'm living for each and every day 'Bout the crossroads of the past, nothing more to say It's good times now but we can see our way

I did mean Peters. Thanks for the correction.

Sorry that I stole Kinnard in this round. He would be a superb fit for the Bills imo.