Bill from NYC
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I am a Bledsoe fan. I am a JP fan.....Im other words I am a BILLS fan. The debate on the quality and potential of our QB position has merit and there are a lot of good points on both sides...but one thing annoys the piss out of me:
WHY DOES EVERYONE ASSUME JP IS FRAGILE????????
He does not have a history of that, even playing behind arguably the worst line in major college football. He had one FREAK injury, it could have happened to anyone and some of us are labeling him the next RJ????
I hope he does well when he gets his chance but lets give him a break on the china doll label.
When a player costs the Bills cap space, costs a fortune to obtain in terms of draft picks, then bumps into someone and is all but an invalid for months, there is reason to be disappointed.
Wait....posters are likening him to Brett favre in his prime!
Never mind.
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Drew has a small cap figure when compared to other qbs. Moulds is slated to earn what I think will place him in the top 5 at his position (or close to it).
Who is a better bargain in terms of the cap hit?
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Previous Slams:
1) "Couldn't win on the road."
This year he did (4 road wins) but it doesn't count because he had "good field position."
2) "Cant win a big game"
Won 6 in a row. A loss in any one of these games would have eliminated the team. This doesn't count because the "opponents sucked."
3) Bad stats:
They too improved, but it doesn't count because he had "no 300 yard games."
4) Not a leader:
He declared the Bills were "his team" in 05. Doesn't count, in fact he is an a-hole for saying that.
5) Cant beat good teams:
Defeated a losing wildcard team, and 2 teams that advanced in the playoffs. Could have had another win (vs the jests) but the defense collapsed with approx. 2 minutes to play. This doesn't count because playoff wins notwithstanding, these teams suck.
I dont know, did he improve?
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What do we know at this point about BR and JPL?
BR:
1) He is a good football player.
2) He lasted for the better part of a season.
3) He was selected ahead of JPL.
JPL:
1) The Bills traded 1st round picks and lost 7 spots for him. They also forfeited a 2 and a 5.
2) Someone brushed up against him and he was practically crippled for the better part of a season. He still counted against the salary cap.
What did I omit?
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Interesting.
I just thought that for all of the trouble our offensive line has had over the past few years, folks would want some consistency from one of the most important positions on the line - LT.
DT, on the other hand, is easier to replace and we have some young guns ready to step in. We don't have that on the line.
The OL would need help whether or not we sign Jennings. They need a true OC, and a stud LG would be great (although I do like Tucker).
I am one who thinks that Teague might work out at LT without a major drop in production. We already pay Big Mike about a billion per season, and Jennings will command at least 6 mil per year, with a huge bonus. His history of getting hurt does not warm me to the thought of this kind of cap allocation.
As for PW, if he insists on 4 or 5 million per season, I would let him walk as well. Edwards, imo, will at some point be at least as good as PW is now. Remember too, PW comes out on many plays now, and he is aging.
It would be nice to keep both of these guys, but not the end of the world if we lose either or both of them imo.
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Oh come on. I know what Tucker means. Just with regard to blitzes, I am not sure that Drew's having more experience with them means that he knows what to do when they come.
Not a hater, just a guy who believed in Drew for too long, and loves the Bills too much to watch a quarterback who is a nice guy, but whom I have no confidence in anymore. If they decide to go with Drew again, I'll root for him. God, I desperately want him to do well. I just don't think he has it in him. I wanted, and still want, to be proven wrong.
That places us on opposite sides, but also on the same page.
Imo, Drew played better after McNallys' coaching sank in to the OL, Mike Williams got into shape, and Travis was benched. We also had a rookie coach....learning on the job. Certainly there is some truth in this, right?
As for JP, he was half dead after running into another player, and seems frail when compared to Drew. I want to be wrong about him and for him also to be in the top 10 in all time yardage. The thing is, I am not ready to heap praise upon him. Not yet.
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This thread is great. It proves that the "haters" know WAY more about quarterbacks than a Princeton grad who blocks for them.
Carry on!
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I have stated my position on Bledsoe ( thumbs down ) and will no longer participate in threads ripping on him. The horse is dead.
I did find out some info from someone who has a source at OBD. Losman was told to go home and relax for 3-4 weeks, then return to OBD in February to start working heavily with the Coaches. Read into it any way you want.
I believe this. It makes sense whereas they gave up a lot to get him.
That said, time will tell if he has what it takes to play in the NFL.
The problem is that people here have him pegged as a superstar and are comparing him to Favre, which is pretty silly imo.
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You left out Flutie. Was this on purpose?
Also, could you be that naive that you think that the lack of blocking didn't matter?
Tell me no!
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It is not, and that probably is what creates such a great relationship between the employees and ownership.
I worked at Wegman's (Dick Road in Buffalo) growing up and loved it. They paid HALF of my college (Buffalo State) tuition with their scholarship program and I had health insurance and paid vacation time... All as a part timer. The people I knew who worked at Tops as part timers paid Union dues and because they were part time STILL had to pay extra if they wanted insurance.
Congratualations Wegman's. They've been working their way up the top 10 list for a few years.
Why do companies try so hard to avoid unions? Because they are looking out for the best interests of the workers? Like Walmart?
Sorry, with all of their faults, I place more trust in the unions that you seem to hold in contempt than I do in corporations.
Maybe Wegmans is one exception, then again maybe not.
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Is it a union shop?
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AKC, as discussed previously I know you're trying to prove a point here (and you're doing it successfully for the most part) but I still fret to think that you would see EM as anything less than a top 15-20 WR in this league. Even if only based on the schemes implemented by defenses against the Bills.
>>>>AKC, as discussed previously I know you're trying to prove a point here (and you're doing it successfully for the most part)<<<<
Yeah, he sure seems to be, doesn't he?
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Darin, I generally agree, but would not say "never." Ruben Brown was as much of a "need" pick as I have ever seen, and it worked, no?
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There is simply no way we will find a C or G at our pick that will make the immediate impact that Chris Villareal has. To me the impact he has made on this team is that he has started and played at high level from the day he got here.
With Eric Moulds restructuring there must be money spent on another OL who can step in from day one and play at the level needed for this team to go to the playoffs (Let's hope Drew follows Eric's example.).
My hope is that we will get a late 2nd rounder for Travis Henry and a mid-2nd for Jonas Jennings if we tag him as I expect we will. While I like Jennings he is going to price himself out of Buffalo and he's just not durable enough to make a long-term and Pace-type investment.
That opens a hole at LT that I believe must be filled with a 1st round LT or FA, not a 2nd round project. My vote goes to picking up two FA OL, LT and LG. If we have to draft these players I feel we will be taking a step backward and with a new QB this could make the transition a painfull one.
If it's my call I trade our 2nd and next year's 1st to get into the 1st round of this draft and grab the best available TE which is what this offense will desperately need with a rebuilt OL and a new QB. Then I'd use our two remaining 2nd rounders (1 for Travis and the other for Jonas) on a CB, OC, FS, or OG. Not a chance I'd use it on a K. I would use a 3rd on a K though.
Just my opinion....
Sorry, but I whole heartedly disagree with you.
A Free Agent LT like Pace or Jones would be wonderful, but would cost as much as 40 or 50 million dollars. Jennings and as I recall Fabini were both 3rd round picks, and they turned out to be good players.
I can almost NEVER see a situation that is an appropriate time for a GM to pass on a player in the draft who he thinks will be a very good offensive lineman.
A case could be made the Bills offensive line is what ruined our quarterbacks, forced Kelly to retire early, and doused any superbowl hopes for us in the last 10 years. There are holes to fill, and I would be filled with joy if the Bills take a blocker with their first selection.
Sadly, I dont expect them to, and predict that they will go with a cornerback.
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from another team?
My guess is a one year deal for 1 million, perhaps a little bit more. I'm not sure, but I think this is about what the raiders gave Zeroue.
Btw, I would love to see Amos on the Bills as a backup next season. Anybody else?
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IMO Henry didn't help the Bills in what they could receive in a trade. His displeasure of being with the Bills, is I imagine widely known and disgruntled players rarely net teams a good return in a trade. Another thing TH's hard hitting running style doesn't bode well for him to remain in the NFL for too many more years and he's been injured more than once. He's damaged goods at this point after not being able to play before the end of the Bills' season, further lowering his trade value.
The best way to move him IMO is before the draft in a package deal involving Henry and a draft choice for a higher draft selection. Donahoe will get what he thinks is close to fair compensation or Henry, weather he likes it or not will be a Buffalo Bill next season IMO.
>>>Donahoe will get what he thinks is close to fair compensation or Henry, weather he likes it or not will be a Buffalo Bill next season IMO.<<<
I agree with your entire post except this sentence. I obviously have no clue to what goes on with Bills management behind the scenes, but I cannot come up with any scenario that involves TH being a Buffalo Bill next season. To take it a step further, if Travis was actually just flat out released, I am thinking that he would get little more than a one year contract in the neighborhood of 1 mil., perhaps a bit more.
What I DO like is the idea of coupling him with a draft pick...for instance, our #4 and Travis for a 3rd round pick from another team. I would be more than satisfied with this. At least we would salvage something.
It would be better for the Bills AND Travis if he moved on.
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Travis in not worth anything near you view him to be.
TD is posturing, but imo he knows how little TH is worth.
Feel good if we get a 5th round pick for him.
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Did Bledsoe's performance&production improve 03-04
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Since you brought it up, I have a few more points that I want to briefly address...
1) McNally
I was on this board before the season doubting that he could help the misfit Buffalo Bills offensive line, but you know what? He did! He turned an utter, sickening disgrace into an average unit, but it took a few games, would you agree?
2) Mike Williams
He came into camp as a fat, third string bag of sh--, but ended the season as a decent RT. He played poorly vs. Pitt when CV went down, but all in all, he improved as the season went on. Still on the same page?
3) Travis Henry
You see, this is what floors me. Travis had 2,700 yards in 2 seasons. He is lauded for this. Drew has more than 39,000 total yards. Nobody cares.
All but about a dozen of Drew's sacks happened when TH was the starter. The only "hater" who acknowledged this was BFII. Travis, despite his good numbers in the past, was sliding on his ass on crucial plays, dropping passes, missing blocks, and sulking. When MaGahee was inserted, the Bills improved ten fold.
As you can see, all of this was happening early in the season. The 0-4 start can be attributed to the above more than to Drew alone. My point is that Drew, despite his limitations, played well enough to take the Bills to the playoffs.
Haters can point fingers as they will, but there are other directions at which to point.